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Jag har tillgång till utskriften av ett PU-förhör med Ebbe Carlson från 19880621. Dessutom finns 2 långa brev från EB till PU daterade 19880404. Ursprungligen hade jag inte tänkt sprida informationen med risk för att störa utredningen men eftersom åklagare och PU haft 31 år på sig att använda den - och dessutom tråden har kunniga deltagare som kanske kan använda uppgifterna på ett konstruktivt sätt - så listar jag här min egen sammanfattning av förhöret i punktform. Jag har gjort den så objektiv som möjligt. Uppgifterna är således EB:s och mina egna fåtaliga kommentarer är inslutna i [parentes]. Jag skrev det på engelska för att vid behov kunna dela med icke svenskspråkiga. Kommentarer?
Interrogation of Ebbe Carlsson by Ingemar Krusell, Riberdahl and others Q9858-6, 1988-06-21
• EB became interested in “the PKK track” by reading newspapers and from talking to Hans Holmér.
• It’s obvious that Iran supports the set up of a Kurdish state by using territory in Iraq and Turkey.
• P O Karlsson was present at the Bani Sadr meeting on 880404
• Bani Sadr thought that Iran killed Palme without involving PKK
• EB names the journalist Taheri as an important source. EB is surprised that Bani Sadr claims that Taheri is a CIA agent.
• Sweden (MoFA/UD) presents Palme’s relation to Iran as good but facts show the opposite, particularly due to the arms trade. For example, Palme refused in December 1985 when Iran asked for Swedish high-tech. Also Palme’s involvement as negotiator was seen as negative since Iran saw the war as a holy war and saw no need for mediation.
• During the summer 1985, the arms dealer Karl-Erik Schmitz wrote to Iran about the difficulties to get approval from the Swedish gvt for gun powder [krut] deliveries.
• Palme responded to Iraq that he tried to stop arms deliveries to Iran.
• Documents from MoFA/UD and Palme’s own notes show that Palme had a “general knowledge” about the arms trade and that he was very worried. Even on his last day in life, he had promised the Iraqi ambassador to do what he could to stop the arms sales to Iran.
• MoFA/UD correspondence/douments show that Iran could not understand why Sweden could not continue export arms to Iran.
• EB believed that it took a long time between the decision to murder Palme and the murder itself. Palme was seen as a threat to Iran’s holy war.
• Sweden played an important role for Iran’s arms purchases, not the least through K-E Schmitz who delivered also from other countries
• Iran supported PKK’s war aiming at creating a Kurdish state in Iraq and Turkey
• EB believed that arms dealers informed Iran about the difficulties in buying arms from Sweden
• EB does not think that the French consortium [SOFMA] killed Palme out of deception or of revenge for not having won the India order
• Syria “threw out” PKK since they didn’t want a Kurdish state
• EB knew about “Vilderim’s” strolls on Västerlånggatan [where the Palme’s lived]. EB found the information in “the diary”. [what is this about?] EB indicates that the sec police/SÄK/Säpo may have had surveillance on PKK and that information from this had not been given to neither the prosecutor, nor the police.
• EB knows nothing about whether PKK agents were close to Grand and the murder scene.
• EB knows nothing about the information, allegedly from MI6, saying that South Africa was involved in the murder
• EB claimed that foreign intelligence services warned Sweden for having become a nest for terrorists and to watch out. The CIA warned Sweden in 1987.
• Palme felt threatened by Ustasha.
• EB talked to Sven-Åke Hjälmroth (the head of the sec police/SÄK/Säpo) the day before the murder. Then SÅH said: “We have a hell of a problem with the kurds, they are scary guys and they have said in a phone call that they will attend a wedding which means murder and we can’t figure out what it means”
• Holmer asked EB to get information about Palme’s private life. EB knew that Palme had other women but that he had no intention to leave his wife. His wife Lisbet didn’t know.
• Palme had a special relationship to Emma Rotschildt. An intellectual relationship and possibly a sexual one. Emma brought him into circles that he wouldn’t otherwise have access to. Emma R had an apartment in Gamla Stan [the same neighbourhood as Palme]
• Palme sometimes came to meetings with women. During his travels, he was approached [by women] and he didn’t always resist. EB didn’t know if Palmes promiscuous life disturbed them [the family?].
• EB wonders how the murderers could know about the cinema visit.
• EB had a thought – a speculation that he didn’t want to articulate – but he says that Emma Rotschild and Palme had a crazy impulsive intellectual relation. They had extremely intensive feelings for each other. Emma R is said to still have a relation to the family Palme. [EB seems to think that the murder had nothing to do with Emma R but he appears to not be totally convinced.]
Interrogation of Ebbe Carlsson by Ingemar Krusell, Riberdahl and others Q9858-6, 1988-06-21
• EB became interested in “the PKK track” by reading newspapers and from talking to Hans Holmér.
• It’s obvious that Iran supports the set up of a Kurdish state by using territory in Iraq and Turkey.
• P O Karlsson was present at the Bani Sadr meeting on 880404
• Bani Sadr thought that Iran killed Palme without involving PKK
• EB names the journalist Taheri as an important source. EB is surprised that Bani Sadr claims that Taheri is a CIA agent.
• Sweden (MoFA/UD) presents Palme’s relation to Iran as good but facts show the opposite, particularly due to the arms trade. For example, Palme refused in December 1985 when Iran asked for Swedish high-tech. Also Palme’s involvement as negotiator was seen as negative since Iran saw the war as a holy war and saw no need for mediation.
• During the summer 1985, the arms dealer Karl-Erik Schmitz wrote to Iran about the difficulties to get approval from the Swedish gvt for gun powder [krut] deliveries.
• Palme responded to Iraq that he tried to stop arms deliveries to Iran.
• Documents from MoFA/UD and Palme’s own notes show that Palme had a “general knowledge” about the arms trade and that he was very worried. Even on his last day in life, he had promised the Iraqi ambassador to do what he could to stop the arms sales to Iran.
• MoFA/UD correspondence/douments show that Iran could not understand why Sweden could not continue export arms to Iran.
• EB believed that it took a long time between the decision to murder Palme and the murder itself. Palme was seen as a threat to Iran’s holy war.
• Sweden played an important role for Iran’s arms purchases, not the least through K-E Schmitz who delivered also from other countries
• Iran supported PKK’s war aiming at creating a Kurdish state in Iraq and Turkey
• EB believed that arms dealers informed Iran about the difficulties in buying arms from Sweden
• EB does not think that the French consortium [SOFMA] killed Palme out of deception or of revenge for not having won the India order
• Syria “threw out” PKK since they didn’t want a Kurdish state
• EB knew about “Vilderim’s” strolls on Västerlånggatan [where the Palme’s lived]. EB found the information in “the diary”. [what is this about?] EB indicates that the sec police/SÄK/Säpo may have had surveillance on PKK and that information from this had not been given to neither the prosecutor, nor the police.
• EB knows nothing about whether PKK agents were close to Grand and the murder scene.
• EB knows nothing about the information, allegedly from MI6, saying that South Africa was involved in the murder
• EB claimed that foreign intelligence services warned Sweden for having become a nest for terrorists and to watch out. The CIA warned Sweden in 1987.
• Palme felt threatened by Ustasha.
• EB talked to Sven-Åke Hjälmroth (the head of the sec police/SÄK/Säpo) the day before the murder. Then SÅH said: “We have a hell of a problem with the kurds, they are scary guys and they have said in a phone call that they will attend a wedding which means murder and we can’t figure out what it means”
• Holmer asked EB to get information about Palme’s private life. EB knew that Palme had other women but that he had no intention to leave his wife. His wife Lisbet didn’t know.
• Palme had a special relationship to Emma Rotschildt. An intellectual relationship and possibly a sexual one. Emma brought him into circles that he wouldn’t otherwise have access to. Emma R had an apartment in Gamla Stan [the same neighbourhood as Palme]
• Palme sometimes came to meetings with women. During his travels, he was approached [by women] and he didn’t always resist. EB didn’t know if Palmes promiscuous life disturbed them [the family?].
• EB wonders how the murderers could know about the cinema visit.
• EB had a thought – a speculation that he didn’t want to articulate – but he says that Emma Rotschild and Palme had a crazy impulsive intellectual relation. They had extremely intensive feelings for each other. Emma R is said to still have a relation to the family Palme. [EB seems to think that the murder had nothing to do with Emma R but he appears to not be totally convinced.]
Jag lägger med även Ebbe Carlssons två brev till PU för de som ev har intresse:
Letter no 1 from Ebbe Carlsson 1988-04-04
• On request by the Head of Swedish National Police Åhmansson I visited [the ex-Iranian President] Bani Sadr on 880404
• Bani Sadr has claimed having information about the Palme murder
• Bani Sadr gave the following information to Ebba Carlsson:
o The Iranian drug trafficking is coordinated by Rafir Dougt, minister for the revolutionary guard. Sons of a number of ayatollas are also involved. One of the sons is Sadoughi, son to a mullah who had been murdered. Another is the son to Mawdavi Kani, the secretary of the mullah organization in Iran. A third is the son of ayatollah Mahalati.
o The smuggling also involves carpets, antics and kaviar.
o Bani Sadr said that his friends has spent much into exposing this trade which also involves import of meat, export of oil and other goods.
o An important role is played by a well known Iranian finance family with Indian origin and wide-spread international contacts.
o The brothers Lawis and the Zürich based business man Tabatabai, who is also a drug dealer.
o Leading Iranians, as the famous Khalkali, know about and accept the trade. The transport is done with Turkish trucks. In Europe, the Italian mafia is involved.
o In exchange for its goods, Iran buys all sorts of arms and from anywhere. Iran fights a “holy war” and all means are allowed.
o Bani Sadr heard from a credible source that Palme tried to stop the trade of weapons for drugs. Palme also knew that Swedish arms were involved. He tried to use his influence and his contacts to stop the trade. That’s why the Iranian leadership decided to kill him.
o Sweden has during a long time sold arms and especially gun powder/explosives to Iran. The deliveries continue.
o Bofors was often involved in the Irangate dealings.
o Bani Sadr had heard about a Bofors director whose brother was trading with carpets and antics in Iran.
o An Italian count with mafia contacts was mentioned.
o RBS 70 is said to have played an important role in the Basra offensive in 1985. 60-70 Iraqi warplanes were shot down, probably because Iran used RBS70.
o Are there any relations between Iran and PKK? Yes, Iran first supported PKK with light weapons only but lately also with heavy weapons.
o Bani Sadr was skeptical to the information saying that the Palme murder was planned in Damaskus. Ambassador Mohtashami could not take such a decision himself. But he was very close to Khomeini’s son and could have had the decision taken
o Ayatollah Mahalati is involved in everything and very dangerous.
o Amir Taheri is a US agent.
o Palme was never accepted by the mullahs.
o Besides Reagan, Palme was the man who knew most about Iran’s secret trade.
Letter no 2 from Ebbe Carlsson 1988-04-04
Conversation with XXX (Taheri?)
• Taheri is extremely well informed on politics in Iran
• Bani Sadr said that he’s a CIA agent but EB thinks he’s credible
• Iran supports PKK in its fight against Turkey
• Taheri’s book describes that Iran’s terrorism is coordinated from Damaskus through the former ambassador Ali-Akbar Mohtashami.
• Taheri also knew about Duba, the 2d man in command in a Syrian military intelligence organization carrying out terrorism in Europe.
• EB: my information says that Mohtashami and Duba planned the Palme murder together. Taheri: This is possible but the political decision would have had to be taken in Teheran. Hamres alias Hamdi Turandi is also believed to have attended the Damaskus meeting.
• Taheri said that the Iranian leadership disliked Olof Palme because Palme thought/presented the revolution as socialistic although it was purely Islamic but the mostly because it was believed that Palme had cut down on arms sales to Iran.
• Taheri thought it was possible or likely that Iran killed Palme.
• Taheri doubted that Iran had paid arms with drugs.
