2018-06-24, 01:29
  #50737
Medlem
Hopes.N.Dreamss avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av MbmA
Du förnekar att mb inte är den radikala och den mest betydande del i oppositionen.
Det är hit dollar strömmar och du och andra talar strunt.
Ni sprider desinformation.


Mb är förbjudna i Syrien sedan årtionden, så kom inte och generalisera vad muslimer representanter. Det har du ingen aning om.
Det var dom också i Egypten, tills dom vann i ett parlamentariskt val.
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2018-06-24, 01:49
  #50738
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Hopes.N.Dreams
Det var dom också i Egypten, tills dom vann i ett parlamentariskt val.

Nej, dom var inte förbjuda i Egypten. Men terrorstämplades 2013.
Valet i Egypten stod mellan mb, militären och salafister.
Oppositionen terrorstämplades och ingen i Väst har gnällt över utgången.
Endast mb anhängare som dig som hatar oliktänkande.
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2018-06-24, 01:51
  #50739
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av MbmA
Du förnekar att mb inte är den radikala och den mest betydande del i oppositionen.
Det är hit dollar strömmar och du och andra talar strunt.
Ni sprider desinformation.


Mb är förbjudna i Syrien sedan årtionden, så kom inte och generalisera vad muslimer representanter. Det har du ingen aning om.
Från det ena till det andra... Man blir aldrig klok på era argument, den saken är säker. Jag generaliserar inte vad muslimer representerar. Det är logik! Muslimer finns i Syrien, MB är en muslimsk organisation, syrier är muslimer alltså finns stöd bland folket där. Det är därför du påstår, jag citerar dig: "...är den radikala och den mest betydande del i oppositionen." För du tror väl inte att oppositionen består av utlänningar? Bara för att Syrien förbjöd MB innebär det inte att MB inte har sympatisörer i Syrien.
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2018-06-24, 01:54
  #50740
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arbetets avatar
Vad gäller MB så är de tungt beväpnade i Syrien men inte i Gaza eller i Egypten. Konstiga regler att det verkar vara okey att skjuta dem när de inte kan försvara sig men inte när de utgör ett rejält hot. Hursomhelst, så verkar USA svika sina proxies i södra Syrien enl. rykten (meddelandet i original i Tweeten):


Sam Heller
‏ @AbuJamajem

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New message from U.S. Embassy Amman to southern rebels: Make your own decision, but “you should not base your decision on the assumption or expectation of military intervention by us.”

https://twitter.com/AbuJamajem/status/1010610652430372868

Och RuAF har officiellt tagit del i offensiven mot Daara:

Russian strikes overwhelm jihadists as Syrian troops prepare to attack northeast Daraa
The Russian Aerospace Forces officially entered the battle for southwest Syria, tonight, a military source told Al-Masdar from the Daraa Governorate.

Russian jets reportedly unleashed a flurry of airstrikes over the northeastern countryside of the Daraa Governorate at 11 P.M. (local time), hitting several militant targets in the process.

The Russian Aerospace Forces have now launched over 30 airstrikes since 11 P.M., with the majority of these strikes concentrating on the strategic town of Busra Al-Harir, which is located directly east of Izra’a.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-strikes-overwhelm-jihadists-as-syrian-troops-prepare-to-attack-northeast-daraa/
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2018-06-24, 01:55
  #50741
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Hopes.N.Dreamss avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av MbmA
Nej, dom var inte förbjuda i Egypten. Men terrorstämplades 2013.
Valet i Egypten stod mellan mb, militären och salafister.
Oppositionen terrorstämplades och ingen i Väst har gnällt över utgången.
Endast mb anhängare som dig som hatar oliktänkande.
Du har en del läsa att göra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#In_Egypt
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Following the Egyptian Revolution of 2011 and fall of Hosni Mubarak, the Brotherhood was legalized[28] and was at first very successful, dominating the 2011 parliamentary election and winning the 2012 presidential election, before the overthrow of President Mohamed Morsi a year later, leading to a crackdown on the Brotherhood again.

Ditt prat om att den "förklarades en terrororganisation" skedde efter att den legaliserades efter revolutionen för att sedan ogiltigförklaras av Sisi. Pundarskalle.
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2018-06-24, 02:07
  #50742
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Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Hopes.N.Dreams
Du har en del läsa att göra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#In_Egypt


Ditt prat om att den "förklarades en terrororganisation" skedde efter att den legaliserades efter revolutionen för att sedan ogiltigförklaras av Sisi. Pundarskalle.
Tre inlägg gjorde han om MB och visade oss hur "insatt" han är
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2018-06-24, 02:29
  #50743
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Hopes.N.Dreamss avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av tfalken
Tre inlägg gjorde han om MB och visade oss hur "insatt" han är
Ja, och vi sprider "desinformation".
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2018-06-24, 08:06
  #50744
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arbetets avatar
Bekräftelse i the Guardian och i Reuters om att USA kastar "rebellerna"* under bussen:


You're on your own, US tells Syrian rebels, as Assad goes on offensive

Russian jets make first foray into south-west as government ramps up campaign to regain strategic area
/…/The US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, said on Friday the Syrian military escalation “unambiguously violates” the de-escalation arrangement.

“Russia will ultimately bear responsibility for any further escalations in Syria,” Haley said in a statement.

The strongly worded statements had raised the hopes of the western-backed opposition of a possible American military intervention in the event the Syrian army’s days-long bombing campaign broadens to an all-out offensive across the south-west.

But the US message told the rebels it was left to them alone to take the right decision on how to face the Syrian army’s military campaign based on what they saw was best for themselves and their people.

“We in the United States government understand the difficult conditions you are facing and still advise the Russians and the Syrian regime not to undertake a military measure that violates the zone,” the message also said.

The advice seems to be going unheeded by the Russians. Two tracking centres that monitor military aircraft movements recorded at least 20 strikes on Busra al-Harir, north-east of Daraa, two sources told Reuters.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/24/youre-on-your-own-us-tells-syrian-rebels-as-assad-goes-on-offensive

Syrian rebels say U.S. tells them it won't intervene in south Syria
/…/A copy of a message sent by Washington to heads of Free Syrian Army (FSA) groups, which was seen by Reuters, said the U.S. government wanted to make clear that “you should not base your decisions on the assumption or expectation of a military intervention by us”.

The United States had earlier warned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his Russian allies that violations of a “de-escalation” zone agreed by the United States and Russia last year would have “serious repercussions” and pledged “firm and appropriate measures.”

The toughly worded statements coming from the administration had raised the hopes of the Western-backed opposition of a possible American military intervention in the event the Syrian army’s several days long bombing campaign broadens to an all-out offensive across the southwest.

The U.S. message also told the rebels it was left to them alone to take the right decision on how to face the Syrian army’s military campaign based on what they saw was best for themselves and their people.

“We in the United States government understand the difficult conditions you are facing and still advise the Russians and the Syrian regime not to undertake a military measure that violates the zone,” the message also said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa/syrian-rebels-say-u-s-tells-them-it-wont-intervene-in-south-syria-idUSKBN1JK00W

*) Den som påstår att alla stridande oppositionella i Syrien förutom Daesh är moderata rebeller har nog inte alla hästar i stallet minst sagt och ska nog inte uttala sig om vad som är vad i MÖ.
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2018-06-24, 08:10
  #50745
Medlem
Intressant från Reuters som nu tar upp meddelandet.

Syrian rebels say Washington tells them it won't intervene in southern Syria

Och lite bakgrund också.

Washington has supported the moderate mainstream FSA faction with arms and salaries in the course of the seven-year war under a military aid programme run by the Central Intelligence Agency.

But analysts believe the aid has dropped after U.S. President Donald Trump decided last year to shut down the programme.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-usa/syrian-rebels-say-washington-tells-them-it-wont-intervene-in-southern-syria-idUKKBN1JK00U
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2018-06-24, 08:26
  #50746
Medlem
Och Israel verkar inte heller lägga sig i nu.

DEBKAfile: If the Trump administration has indeed backed away from supporting the southern front rebel leaders against Syrian army, Russian-backed attack, this may be interpreted as signifying President Donald Trump’s decision not to allow the contest over southwest Syria and Jordanian and Israel borderlands stand in the way of an early summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Israel would then be left to cope on its own with fending off the drive of the Syrian army and its allies, Hizballah and the pro-Iranian Shiite forces, up to its borders. In this eventuality, the IDF has two options:

Non-intervention like the US and acceptance of a Syrian military presence along its northern border.
Intervention by air and ground-to-ground missile strikes against Syrian military and allied targets to halt their advance. There is no sign of the Israeli government or military chiefs gearing up for such an operation.

But meanwhile, a Syrian refugee problem is building up on its Golan border. Some 12,000 refugees are reported to have fled their homes since the Syrian army captured small towns and villages in the Daraa province. Thousands are gathering on the Israeli border and setting up tents.


https://www.debka.com/russian-air-strikes-back-syrian-southern-offensive-us-to-southern-front-rebels-youre-on-your-own/
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2018-06-24, 09:03
  #50747
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Memestars avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Ikea-Kamprad
Och Israel verkar inte heller lägga sig i nu.

DEBKAfile: If the Trump administration has indeed backed away from supporting the southern front rebel leaders against Syrian army, Russian-backed attack, this may be interpreted as signifying President Donald Trump’s decision not to allow the contest over southwest Syria and Jordanian and Israel borderlands stand in the way of an early summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Israel would then be left to cope on its own with fending off the drive of the Syrian army and its allies, Hizballah and the pro-Iranian Shiite forces, up to its borders. In this eventuality, the IDF has two options:

Non-intervention like the US and acceptance of a Syrian military presence along its northern border.
Intervention by air and ground-to-ground missile strikes against Syrian military and allied targets to halt their advance. There is no sign of the Israeli government or military chiefs gearing up for such an operation.

But meanwhile, a Syrian refugee problem is building up on its Golan border. Some 12,000 refugees are reported to have fled their homes since the Syrian army captured small towns and villages in the Daraa province. Thousands are gathering on the Israeli border and setting up tents.


https://www.debka.com/russian-air-strikes-back-syrian-southern-offensive-us-to-southern-front-rebels-youre-on-your-own/
Verklighetsfrånvarande artikel. Det var Israel som övertygade USA att inte lägga sig i pga av deras deal med Ryssland som kickar ut Iran.
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2018-06-24, 10:20
  #50748
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arbetets avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Ikea-Kamprad
Intressant från Reuters som nu tar upp meddelandet.

Syrian rebels say Washington tells them it won't intervene in southern Syria

Och lite bakgrund också.

Washington has supported the moderate mainstream FSA faction with arms and salaries in the course of the seven-year war under a military aid programme run by the Central Intelligence Agency.

But analysts believe the aid has dropped after U.S. President Donald Trump decided last year to shut down the programme.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-usa/syrian-rebels-say-washington-tells-them-it-wont-intervene-in-southern-syria-idUKKBN1JK00U
Som sagt, jag såg det i natt och äntligen ett bra beslut från USA:s sida. Detta kommer att spara åtskilliga liv. Kan man ana Mattis hand i detta?
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