2013-09-02, 08:42
  #17005
Medlem
taucetis avatar
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-09-02/mps-to-question-why-uk-government-allowed-syria-chemical-deal-vince-cable/

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UK 'allowed Syria chemical deal'

UN chemical weapons experts collect samples from one of the sites of an alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus. Credit: Reuters
A Government spokesman said: "The UK Government operates one of the most rigorous arms export control regimes in the world, and has been at the forefront of implementing an international sanctions regime on Syria.

"In January 2012, we issued licences for sodium fluoride and potassium fluoride.

Stämmer detta?
2013-09-02, 08:53
  #17006
Medlem
taucetis avatar
Ngt som säkerligen berör Sverige mer än nåt annat eu land.

Syrian refugees flock to Europe’s doorstep

http://www.euractiv.com/global-europe/syrian-refugees-flock-europe-doo-news-530065?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_camp aign=EurActivRSS



Ryssarna verkar inte alls övertygade över dom bevis som har visats.

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MOSCOW: Russia is totally unconvinced by the evidence presented by the United States and its allies of an alleged chemical attack outside Damascus that the West says was perpetrated by the regime, Foreign

Minister Sergei Lavrov said Monday.

"What we were shown before and most recently by our American partners as

well the British and the French absolutely does not convince us," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said at a
university
lecture, adding there were "many doubts" about images of the alleged attack posted on the
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-116364-Russia-absolutely-unconvinced-by-Syria-chemical-attack-claims
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Senast redigerad av tauceti 2013-09-02 kl. 09:05.
2013-09-02, 09:02
  #17007
Medlem
taucetis avatar
Vem ska man tro på?

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Fresh evidence against Bashar Assad's regime would allow the Government to go back to Parliament for a second vote on military action, it was claimed as Washington announced it had proof that sarin gas was used in Syria.


Boris Johnson became the latest figure to suggest that British forces could still be deployed following the atrocity on the outskirts of Damascus, insisting there was "no reason" why a renewed bid for parliamentary support could not still be made.

http://www.itn.co.uk/World/84145/calls-for-new-vote-on-military-action-in-syria
2013-09-02, 09:26
  #17008
Medlem
BaalZeBubs avatar
Få har väl förolämpat sina lyssnares förstånd så mycket som John Kerry de senaste dagarna. Det kan ju inte vara annat än ett fräckt och väl förberett sätt att vilseleda allmänheten, när man gång på gång tar fram konkreta bevis på olika saker, och därefter omotiverat sluter sig till att Syriens regim är ansvarig.

Nu senast:
"Speaking with ABC news on Sunday, Mr Kerry said: "We have signatures of Sarin in hair and blood samples, so the case is growing stronger by the day.""
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23921855

Alltså: det var saringas, alltså måste det vara Assad som ligger bakom.

Vi kanske inte får svaret förrän flera år efteråt, men förr eller senare kommer det. Och ingen förklaring, ingen analys av gaser m.m är tillräcklig om inte kärnfrågan besvaras:

Varför skedde attacken direkt efter att FN's inspektörer anlänt?

Det går inte att undvika slutsatsen - den är alltför uppenbar för alla - att attacken skedde för att USA skulle reagera, i enlighet med Obamas tidigare uttalande att en gasattack är en 'red line'

Detta är givetvis uppenbart även för Kerry. Men han undviker medvetet frågan. Varför?

Sedan kan Assads regim eller delar av den vara skyldig till attacken, kanske som ett överlistigt försök till en dubbel falselagoperation. Dvs de gör en attack som ska se ut som en falsk attack. Det är möjligt. Men inte för Kerry inte.
2013-09-02, 09:26
  #17009
Medlem
Xeliouss avatar
Det är ju uppenbart att inbördeskriget inte kommer påverkas speciellt mycket av en amerikansk attack. Det kommer handla om vilken sida som får slut på soldater först, vapen och ammunition finns det väl gott om. Vi får hoppas det tar "slut" snart så vi slipper fler av dessa av krig psykiskt skadade i Sverige innan vi uppnår en kritisk massa av idioter så det blir mer stök här med islamister och sekterister. Jag är väl inte ensam om att ha hört om rätt allvarliga konfilkter mellan kristna och muslimer från syrien tex.
2013-09-02, 09:35
  #17010
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av KITTENMITTONS
Som jag trodde, västerländsk media överdriver hur illa folk som bor i dessa "diktaturer" har det... Folket som bor där nu måste ju ha ett rent helvete med denna situationen, känner stark sympati för dessa stackare och detta onödiga blodspillande behöver verkligen få ett slut men då väljer ju förstås USA den sida som gynnar dem som förstör landet istället för att tänka 2 gånger och för en gångs skulle hjälpa den rätta sidan.

Vi kanske ska komma ihåg att detta började som fredliga protester som slogs ned med våld.
Det syrierna gick ut på gatorna för var precis detsamma som tunisierna, egyptierna och libyerna gjort före dem. Skillnaden är att de mötte ett militärt motstånd av helt annan dignitet samtidigt som omvärlden passivt såg på, men det var ju omöjligt att förutspå på förhand.
2013-09-02, 09:41
  #17011
Medlem
humanlifes avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Real-Talk
Kongressen i USA är alltmer splittrad

– Det finns inget stöd för resolutionen som den är, säger Jim Himes, demokratisk ledamot i representanthuset.

– Jag är väldigt tveksam till ännu ett amerikanskt krig mot ett land som inte angripit oss, sade demokraten Janice Hahn.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article17391058.ab

Det blir nog svårt för Obama att få med sig kongressen.
Syrien har som sagt inte angripit USA, så det finns ju ingen anledning till attack. Enklare kan det ju liksom inte bli.
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Senast redigerad av humanlife 2013-09-02 kl. 09:50.
2013-09-02, 09:43
  #17012
Medlem
Talar Assad sanning här?

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Ursprungligen postat av Assad
In contrast, there are particular countries that have directly mobilised and buttressed terrorism in Syria. Predominantly Qatar and Turkey in the first two years; Qatar financed while Turkey provided logistical support by training terrorists and streaming them into Syria. Recently, Saudi Arabia has replaced Qatar in the funding role.


2009: Qatar seeks gas pipeline to Turkey

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Qatar has proposed a gas pipeline from the Gulf to Turkey in a sign the emirate is considering a further expansion of exports from the world's biggest gasfield after it finishes an ambitious programme to more than double its capacity to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG).

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The reports said two different routes for such a pipeline were possible. One would lead from Qatar through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq to Turkey. The other would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey. It was not clear whether the second option would be connected to the Pan-Arab pipeline, carrying Egyptian gas through Jordan to Syria. That pipeline, which is due to be extended to Turkey, has also been proposed as a source of gas for Nabucco.

Based on production from the massive North Field in the Gulf, Qatar has established a commanding position as the world's leading LNG exporter. It is consolidating that through a construction programme aimed at increasing its annual LNG production capacity to 77 million tonnes by the end of next year, from 31 million tonnes last year. However, in 2005, the emirate placed a moratorium on plans for further development of the North Field in order to conduct a reservoir study. It recently extended the ban for two years to 2013.

But now there are signs that Qatar's government is looking beyond the moratorium to what it will do next with massive gas reserves that, at about 900 trillion cubic feet, are the world's third-largest. Last week, Saad al Kaabi, the director of oil and gas projects for the government-owned Qatar Petroleum, said Qatar could produce 23 billion cubic feet per day (cfd) of gas by 2014. That would be more than triple the emirate's output last year of 7.4 billion cfd, and 64 per cent more than its estimated 14 billion cfd of potential production once the LNG expansion programme is completed.

Abdullah al Attiyah, the Qatari deputy prime minister and energy minister, has expressed concerns about flooding an already glutted international LNG market. Exporting gas by pipeline, which is cheaper than cooling it to liquid form for shipment in specialised tankers, might be an attractive alternative. But cross-border pipeline projects more often than not face substantial political hurdles, as Nabucco's proponents have discovered.

http://www.thenational.ae/business/energy/qatar-seeks-gas-pipeline-to-turkey#ixzz2dhoPicMM

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In 2009, Assad refused to sign an agreement with Qatar for an overland pipeline running from the Gulf to Europe via Syria


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jhPTvibpnk98IR09Amuc5QzWQsIQ?docId=CNG.c0b07 c0fd43690568ae07ab83f87f608.6d1&hl=en

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Instead, he signed a 10 billion dollar pipeline deal with Iran and Iraq, which will supply gas from the South Pars field (which is the largest in the world) to Syria and beyond to other export markets.


Iraq, Iran, Syria Sign $10 Billion Gas-Pipeline Deal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903591104576467631289250392.html#a rticleTabs%3Darticle

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I bet this explains the influx of foreign jihadists and the strength of the Al-Qaeda affiliated Al-Nusra in the syrian opposition.

This reeks of proxy war with Iran.

Former FBI-translator and founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Sibel Edmonds:

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Col. Riad al-Assad has been in Turkey, working with U.S. & NATO, right inside the US Incirlik Base in Turkey, to do exactly what he vehemently denies: smuggle weapons into Syria and help with funneling intelligence and military operators across the border and night-time drop offs by air.

The joint US-NATO secret training camp in the US air force base in Incirlik, Turkey, began operations in April- May 2011 to organize and expand the dissident base in Syria. Since then, in addition to Col. Riad al-Assad, several other high-ranking Syrian military and intelligence officials have been added to operations’ headquarters in the US base. Weekly weapons smuggling operations have been carried out with full NATO-US participation since last May. The HQ also includes an information warfare division where US-NATO crafted communications are directed to dissidents in Syria via the core group of Syrian military and Intelligence defectors.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hTQuHUTerI

CNN:

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Speculation on Capitol Hill has included the possibility the U.S. agencies operating in Benghazi were secretly helping to move surface-to-air missiles out of Libya, through Turkey, and into the hands of Syrian rebels.


http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01/exclusive-dozens-of-cia-operatives-on-the-ground-during-benghazi-attack/

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The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.

The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.


http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/sources-defense-contractors-training-syrian-rebels-in-chemical-weapons/
2013-09-02, 09:46
  #17013
Medlem
humanlifes avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av BaalZeBub
Få har väl förolämpat sina lyssnares förstånd så mycket som John Kerry de senaste dagarna. Det kan ju inte vara annat än ett fräckt och väl förberett sätt att vilseleda allmänheten, när man gång på gång tar fram konkreta bevis på olika saker, och därefter omotiverat sluter sig till att Syriens regim är ansvarig.

Håller med! Det här är avancerad och medveten manipulation. Och de verkar utgå från att vi inte kan tänka själva. Det är verkligen förolämpande!
2013-09-02, 09:46
  #17014
Medlem
Märkligt att inte dessa mail har uppmärksammats i större utsträckning.

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Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials confirmed US-UK training of Syrian opposition forces since 2011 aimed at eliciting "collapse" of Assad's regime "from within."


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On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered "global intelligence" company Stratfor. The e-mails date between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor's web of informers, pay-off structure, payment laundering techniques and psychological methods.


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I spent most of the afternoon at the Pentagon with the USAF strategic
studies group - guys who spend their time trying to understand and explain
to the USAF chief the big picture in areas where they're operating in. It
was just myself and four other guys at the Lieutenant Colonel level,
including one French and one British representative who are liaising with
the US currently out of DC.

They wanted to grill me on the strategic picture on Syria, so after that I
got to grill them on the military picture. There is still a very low level
of understanding of what is actually at stake in Syria, what's the
strategic interest there, the Turkish role, the Iranian role, etc. After a
couple hours of talking, they said without saying that SOF teams
(presumably from US, UK, France, Jordan, Turkey) are already on the ground
focused on recce missions and training opposition forces. One Air Force
intel guy (US) said very carefully that there isn't much of a Free Syrian
Army to train right now anyway, but all the operations being done now are
being done out of 'prudence.' The way it was put to me was, 'look at this
way - the level of information known on Syrian OrBat this month is the
best it's been since 2001.' They have been told to prepare contingencies
and be ready to act within 2-3 months, but they still stress that this is
all being done as contingency planning, not as a move toward escalation.

I kept pressing on the question of what these SOF teams would be working
toward, and whether this would lead to an eventual air camapign to give a
Syrian rebel group cover. They pretty quickly distanced themselves from
that idea, saying that the idea 'hypothetically' is to commit guerrilla
attacks, assassination campaigns, try to break the back of the Alawite
forces, elicit collapse from within. There wouldn't be a need for air
cover, and they wouldn't expect these Syrian rebels to be marching in
columns anyway.

They emphasized how the air campaign in Syria makes Libya look like a
piece of cake. Syrian air defenses are a lot more robust and are much
denser, esp around Damascus and on the borders with Israel, Turkey. THey
are most worried about mobile air defenses, particularly the SA-17s that
they've been getting recently. It's still a doable mission, it's just not
an easy one.


https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1671459_insight-military-intervention-in-syria-post-withdrawal.html
2013-09-02, 09:50
  #17015
Medlem
Fantastisk artikel av Seymour Hersh från 2007. Måste läsas om man vill förstå vad som händer i mellanöstern nu. Alla pusselbitar faller på plats.

Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?

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To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.


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The policy shift has brought Saudi Arabia and Israel into a new strategic embrace, largely because both countries see Iran as an existential threat. They have been involved in direct talks, and the Saudis, who believe that greater stability in Israel and Palestine will give Iran less leverage in the region, have become more involved in Arab-Israeli negotiations.

The new strategy “is a major shift in American policy—it’s a sea change,” a U.S. government consultant with close ties to Israel said. The Sunni states “were petrified of a Shiite resurgence, and there was growing resentment with our gambling on the moderate Shiites in Iraq,” he said. “We cannot reverse the Shiite gain in Iraq, but we can contain it.”

“It seems there has been a debate inside the government over what’s the biggest danger—Iran or Sunni radicals,” Vali Nasr, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, who has written widely on Shiites, Iran, and Iraq, told me. “The Saudis and some in the Administration have been arguing that the biggest threat is Iran and the Sunni radicals are the lesser enemies. This is a victory for the Saudi line.”

Martin Indyk, a senior State Department official in the Clinton Administration who also served as Ambassador to Israel, said that “the Middle East is heading into a serious Sunni-Shiite Cold War.”


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The Administration’s effort to diminish Iranian authority in the Middle East has relied heavily on Saudi Arabia and on Prince Bandar, the Saudi national-security adviser.


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Their [shiites] concentration in a volatile, oil-rich region has led to concern in the West and among Sunnis about the emergence of a “Shiite crescent”—especially given Iran’s increased geopolitical weight.


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In January, after an outburst of street violence in Beirut involving supporters of both the Siniora government and Hezbollah, Prince Bandar flew to Tehran to discuss the political impasse in Lebanon and to meet with Ali Larijani, the Iranians’ negotiator on nuclear issues. According to a Middle Eastern ambassador, Bandar’s mission—which the ambassador said was endorsed by the White House—also aimed “to create problems between the Iranians and Syria.” There had been tensions between the two countries about Syrian talks with Israel, and the Saudis’ goal was to encourage a breach. However, the ambassador said, “It did not work. Syria and Iran are not going to betray each other. Bandar’s approach is very unlikely to succeed.”


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all
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Senast redigerad av Isglass 2013-09-02 kl. 09:52.
2013-09-02, 09:55
  #17016
Medlem
Någon som fortfarande tvivlar på USAs och Saudi Arabiens inblandning i destabiliseringen av Syrien? Gör inte det.

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Jumblatt then told me that he had met with Vice-President Cheney in Washington last fall to discuss, among other issues, the possibility of undermining Assad. He and his colleagues advised Cheney that, if the United States does try to move against Syria, members of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood would be “the ones to talk to,” Jumblatt said.

“We told Cheney that the basic link between Iran and Lebanon is Syria—and to weaken Iran you need to open the door to effective Syrian opposition.”


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There is evidence that the Administration’s redirection strategy has already benefitted the Brotherhood. The Syrian National Salvation Front is a coalition of opposition groups whose principal members are a faction led by Abdul Halim Khaddam, a former Syrian Vice-President who defected in 2005, and the Brotherhood. A former high-ranking C.I.A. officer told me, “The Americans have provided both political and financial support. The Saudis are taking the lead with financial support, but there is American involvement.” He said that Khaddam, who now lives in Paris, was getting money from Saudi Arabia, with the knowledge of the White House. (In 2005, a delegation of the Front’s members met with officials from the National Security Council, according to press reports.) A former White House official told me that the Saudis had provided members of the Front with travel documents.


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Jumblatt said he understood that the issue was a sensitive one for the White House. “I told Cheney that some people in the Arab world, mainly the Egyptians”—whose moderate Sunni leadership has been fighting the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood for decades—“won’t like it if the United States helps the Brotherhood. But if you don’t take on Syria we will be face to face in Lebanon with Hezbollah in a long fight, and one we might not win.”


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Fourth, the Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria.


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Nasr compared the current situation to the period in which Al Qaeda first emerged. In the nineteen-eighties and the early nineties, the Saudi government offered to subsidize the covert American C.I.A. proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Hundreds of young Saudis were sent into the border areas of ****stan, where they set up religious schools, training bases, and recruiting facilities. Then, as now, many of the operatives who were paid with Saudi money were Salafis. Among them, of course, were Osama bin Laden and his associates, who founded Al Qaeda, in 1988.

This time, the U.S. government consultant told me, Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all

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