Dödligt virus från Kina orsakar panik (SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19)

För att det är ett väldigt enkelt och billigt sätt att rädda tusentals liv. Min bäste vän är från Sydkorea. De lever i princip som vanligt i seoul och har kontroll över smittan i denna 20-miljonerstad tack vare att de har ett genomsnitts-IQ på 106 och således bär mask. Samma sakna Japan, Taiwan, Hongkong.

Denna epidemi får mig att tappa tron på mänskligheten. Jag var cynisk redan innan men nu har jag verkligen fått det bevisat vilka jävla mongoloider och flatearthers den genomsnittlige svennebanan är. Ni förtjänar ju faktiskt att plågsamt dö kvävningsdöden i ert eget lungsekret med en aldrig så empatisk undersköterska som ger er morfinspruta istället för syrgas och erat arv går till arvsfonden som i sin tur skänker det till någon afghansk kulturförening och lite menskonstproduktion.

Skön ironi 😎 Som jag också funderat på... Dålig tajming att ”förbuds-Sverige” upphörde att existera just när det handlade om ett dödligt virus mitt i en pandemi...



https://www.expressen.se/debatt/ska-vi-ha-svensk-strategi-inom-fler-dodliga-omraden/

Jag har sett vissa idioter med munskydd. Ofta i situationer där det knappast behövs. Tex när dom cyklar.

Handskar är nog nästan vanligare.

Ofta invandrare som har munskydd. Vet inte varför dom går ut om dom är sjuka?

Österrike, Schweiz, Japan och Australien har alla sett minst en fördubbling i nya fall de senaste veckorna. Det är från mycket låga nivåer, men man ser att det rör på sig.

Även Island har börjat registrerat några nya fall om dagen, från att i princip ha utrotat det.

Sverige ligger på 2:a plats i världen vad gäller antalet döda per dag de senaste veckorna (med hänsyn taget till befolkningsmängden). Bara Brasilien har fler döda!
https://www.covid19curves.nu/

Skriv till SvD och säg att de har fel då.

Beeing factual, we have actually not discussed MSB or their role at all, so far.
Now, that you bring them up, I think they have a lot of responsibility. But it is not them only. Up to early 1990 there were a lot of PPE stored. Then most of it was burned. It was, by many at the time, considered that since Sovjet Union did not exist any more, PPE was not needed. Finland kept their PPE in store. Thats one of several reasons why Finland were much better off than Sweden when the pandemic took off. I have written about this before.

So, what fact was I looking past?

That this lack of PPE cannot be blamed on the elderly care system.

Again, to be factual, I have actually wrote about the significance of lack of PPE. We need to look at all causes and not only pick one.

This is why I gave you several.

To be fair, there is little or no formal connection between FHM and elderly care. Elderly care is more a resposibility of SKR.

They looked to FHM for guidelines in the workplace, as FHM dictates those guidelines during this pandemic.

Also, to be fair, whoever you like to blame, if blame is your objective, what was and is wrong in elderly care is a result of a process that have gone on for years. It is not realistic to believe that can be fixed in a week or so.

There is a huge systemic problem within the elderly care system. But their guidelines have failed them more than they have failed those guidelines. You shouldn’t use this institution as a punching bag simply because the people who have those failed guidelines are telling you to.

Again, if blame is your objective, who is responsible for that elderly care became what it is? COVID-19 in not a flu, but many of the ways that should be available to protect care takers from flu, are similar to those needed to protect them from COVID-19.

It would also protect from the majority of viruses, assuming protective gear and masks are used. I’m not sure what your point is.

Again, to be factual, I never wrote that it was the fact that they were immigrants that mattered.
Facts that mattered were and are:
– Lack of knowledge of the lokal language (by the way, this is a Swedish forum...).
– Lack of knowledge about basic hygiene practices.
– Lack of knowledge about basic medicine and how infections are spread.
– Lack of PPE have of course nothing with the origin of the personell to do...

This isn’t a Swedish forum. It’s not based in Sweden, and English is an allowed language according to the rules. Feel free to answer in Swedish if you would rather. What rubs me the wrong way is that you assume immigrants don’t know basic hygienic practices. My mother is an immigrant working in elderly care. Do you assume she also lacks knowledge of hygienic practices?

Considering this is an infection that is spread asymptomatically — something the FHM still won’t admit but is accepted knowledge worldwide — I don’t think it’s fair to single out workers as the point of failure for knowing how this virus spreads.

I agree, that quite a few elderly could have been saved if given oxygen rather than morphine. Oxygen was not an option since personell was not trained in using oxygen. For reasons explained above.

This is why we have doctors in a society.

You are not forgetting that Belgium, Italy, Spain, France, Great Britain and many other countries applied total lock down, are you? Where did it get them?

For France, to less deaths per million than Sweden despite greater initial spread. I have already addressed these points in a previous response to you.

If you look for scapegoats you can use the tactics that arbetet here is an expert in. Confuse correlation and causality.
I much rather look at cause effect relationships.
I hinted arbetet about this text. I recommend for you as well:
https://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/MPH-Modules/PH717-QuantCore/PH717-Module1A-Populations/PH717-Module1A-Populations6.html

I will read it when I end work. I don’t use tactics, and I don’t scapegoat.

Read what I have written again! Not one time have I put blame on immigrants. What I do though is that if immigrants play a role in a chain of events, I don't close my eyes, I don't look elsewhere, just to avoid that facts and truth can be used the wrong way by some extremist. PC, even if it's original intension was basically good, it was clear from start that it could be used for opinion control and mind control. Once you can leave that behind you can see beyond PC and look for why certain groups more frequently than others are involved in or cause certain problems. Remaining blindfolded, by something considered PC or something else, does not allow you to get close enough to the problem to even look for a solution. Can't we agree that it is a solution we want?
IMO, if a persons values are so fragile so they can't be questioned, it is likely that these values lack something essential.

“Immigrants lack basic hygiene”

“I don’t blame immigrants”

Pick one, spare me the PC pleas.

Your opinion and my opinion
Like many on this and other forums you often place opinions on me and others here.
I strongly prefer that I am allowed to express my opinions and that you express yours.
When you start to tell me what my opinion is you are, in general, way-off and often dead wrong.

I haven’t told you what your opinion is; I’ve let you state it. And then I’ve pointed out the faults in it.

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Din okunnighet är skrämmande!
När du är okunnig och blir presenterad för fakta som inte passar din agenda så använder du pejorativa omdömen om fakta. Vad förväntar du dig uppnå med det?

Här kan du lära lite om fakta.

Läkarförening larmar: Flera svensksomalier bland coronadödsfall i Stockholmsområdet
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lakarforening-larmar-over-halften-av-de-doda-ar-svensksomalier

Coronasmittan på äldreboendena kan ha spritts av personal med dåliga kunskaper i svenska, med obefintlig vårdutbildning och som själv tillhör grupper som angrips svårt av coronasmitta!
https://elisabethoglund.se/blogg/coronasmittan-pa-aldreboendena-kan-ha-spritts-av-personal-med-daliga-kunskaper-i-svenska-bristande-u tbildning-och-bortglomda-av-samhallets-informationsansvar-om-covid-19/

Fler timanställda på covid-19-drabbade äldreboenden
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7496535

Jag hoppas att din agenda inte krackelerar totalt om du börjar ta in fakta...

Jag råkade se an text som du borde läsa.

Correlation, Causation, and Gender Differences in Patient Outcomes
«We all know that correlation is not causation. Its epidemiology 101. People who carry matches are more likely to get lung cancer...»

https://blogs.sph.harvard.edu/ashish-jha/2016/12/22/correlation-causation-and-gender-differences-in-patient-outcomes/

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My answers in bold.

That this lack of PPE cannot be blamed on the elderly care system.

This is why I gave you several.

They looked to FHM for guidelines in the workplace, as FHM dictates those guidelines during this pandemic.

There is a huge systemic problem within the elderly care system. But their guidelines have failed them more than they have failed those guidelines. You shouldn’t use this institution as a punching bag simply because the people who have those failed guidelines are telling you to.

It would also protect from the majority of viruses, assuming protective gear and masks are used. I’m not sure what your point is.

This isn’t a Swedish forum. It’s not based in Sweden, and English is an allowed language according to the rules. Feel free to answer in Swedish if you would rather. What rubs me the wrong way is that you assume immigrants don’t know basic hygienic practices. My mother is an immigrant working in elderly care. Do you assume she also lacks knowledge of hygienic practices?

Considering this is an infection that is spread asymptomatically — something the FHM still won’t admit but is accepted knowledge worldwide — I don’t think it’s fair to single out workers as the point of failure for knowing how this virus spreads.

This is why we have doctors in a society.

For France, to less deaths per million than Sweden despite greater initial spread. I have already addressed these points in a previous response to you.

I will read it when I end work. I don’t use tactics, and I don’t scapegoat.

“Immigrants lack basic hygiene”
“I don’t blame immigrants”
Pick one, spare me the PC pleas.

I haven’t told you what your opinion is; I’ve let you state it. And then I’ve pointed out the faults in it.

Fast de kommer inte ens i siffrorna av döda och smittade i Sverige av COVID-19!

Fast i Sverige är smittan sjunkande. Fortsätter ökningen i övriga länder så är det troligt att vi möts på mitten till hösten.