2018-10-23, 19:30
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In Sweden do women have more maturity days following child birth than any other country?

No not at all. In europe we're on the lower end, especially if you phrase the question the way that you have. I don't want to overwhelm with numbers (nor do I want to do the research) so here's an article: https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF2_1_Parental_leave_systems.pdf

Total paid leave available to mothers (assuming there are two parents sharing custody) is 55.7 weeks, the eurozone average is 60.4 weeks. (Estonia, Findland and Hungary offer 160 weeks or more) But it is a tricky thing to compare as the money offered can vary quite a bit by country, while I assume most mothers can afford to take the 55.7 weeks here, I don't know if the same applies to the 161 weeks in Finland.

However, one thing that I believe is quite unique to Sweden is that in a household with shared custody the 2 parents get a total of 480 days, 240 days each that they can share and trade however they like except both parents have 90 days that cannot be traded to the other one. So at the most a mother can take out 390 days (55.7 weeks), unless she's got full custody (in which case it would be 480 days, 68.6 weeks).
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2018-10-23, 19:49
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In Sweden is the wage gap to men closer than any other country?

No, we seem to be quite average in europe. But who knows really, it's a difficult thing to measure. According to OECD Luxembourg (4,97%) is the best, followed by Italy (5.56%). Sweden is 15th on that list at 13.42%, well below Denmark (6.77%) at fifth.

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Are there more women in Positions of power than in other countries?

I don't know that anyone has ever succesfully attempted a comprehensive country by country comparison of that massive topic. Looking only at the government we have the second highest rate of female participation in the world, second to Rwanda (the shining beacon of equality). Yet notably we haven't had a female prime minister yet (seems like it might happen after this election though, possibly).
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2018-10-23, 19:56
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In Sweden do women have more maturity days following child birth than any other country?

Our mothers have most in the nordic countries at least.

The rest of your questions can be answered in the Global Gender Gap Report
https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-global-gender-gap-report-2017

Sweden is there ranked the 5th most gender equal country in the world, behind every other Nordic country except Denmark.
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2018-10-23, 21:07
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It's worrying to say the least that this law was accepted, despite the harsh critique of the legal counsil.
The burden of proof is reversed.
If the accused can't prove he has consent (no vomen will ever be prosecuted by this law) it's two years minimum.

Sweden is not respecting the idea of due process rights by law anymore.
This law is proof.
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2018-10-23, 21:10
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Our mothers have most in the nordic countries at least.

The rest of your questions can be answered in the Global Gender Gap Report
https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-global-gender-gap-report-2017

Sweden is there ranked the 5th most gender equal country in the world, behind every other Nordic country except Denmark.
None of the other countries around here has nearly as much of the radical feminism as Sweden has.
Which in turn indicates that radical feminism is actually bad for equality.
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2018-10-23, 22:01
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None of the other countries around here has nearly as much of the radical feminism as Sweden has.
Which in turn indicates that radical feminism is actually bad for equality.

Norway have longer paternity leave than us, and Iceland have banned strip clubs.

Otherwise you are correct that women don't get more equality by much of modern feminism.
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2018-10-24, 01:57
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Det där är väl en myt? Vad jag vet så har Sverige samma definition som t.ex. USA. Det som tidigare i Sverige inte klassades som våldtäkt i Sverige var t.ex. att fingerpulla en sovande tjej; det var ett sexuellt övergrepp men inte våldtäkt. Numera klassas det som våldtäkt, precis som det gör i USA.
I heard that in Sweden, poking holes in a condom and not telling you partner is considered legally rape. That julian assange did exactly this which is why he's called a rapist.
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2018-10-24, 07:30
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I heard that in Sweden, poking holes in a condom and not telling you partner is considered legally rape. That julian assange did exactly this which is why he's called a rapist.
Only by libtard feminists.
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2018-10-24, 13:48
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I heard that in Sweden, poking holes in a condom and not telling you partner is considered legally rape. That julian assange did exactly this which is why he's called a rapist.

He is accused of "having "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing", which if done against the expressed wishes of the other party would be considered rape here. But that's only part of the issue, the victim reported that she tried to stop him from undressing her and having sex with her but eventually surrendered as her actions had no effect on Julian's determination. And yet she didn't go to the police to accuse him of rape but to try to find a way to force him to get tested for HIV (testing her wouldn't yield a conclusive result for months at this point as I understand it).

Still I rarely see anyone call him a rapist, more often an alleged rapist.

Funnily enough, for what it's worth, a friend of mine, a girl, has spent some time with Julian (before all of this happened) and she says he's a little bit creepy sexually, that it may well have happened the way the victims say yet that he's almost certainly not guilty of rape. Because he firmly believed that no girl wouldn't want to have sex with him and because he might have struggled with interprating body language and that sort of thing. I don't think he meant to harm anyone, even emotionally.

In hindsight expanding our definition of rape was a mistake, it lead to various right-wing memes such as Malmö being the rape capital of europe etc and I don't really see the point. What you call a specific crime isn't important, what matters is the punishment.
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2018-10-24, 15:19
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He is accused of "having "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing", which if done against the expressed wishes of the other party would be considered rape here. But that's only part of the issue, the victim reported that she tried to stop him from undressing her and having sex with her but eventually surrendered as her actions had no effect on Julian's determination. And yet she didn't go to the police to accuse him of rape but to try to find a way to force him to get tested for HIV (testing her wouldn't yield a conclusive result for months at this point as I understand it).

Still I rarely see anyone call him a rapist, more often an alleged rapist.

Funnily enough, for what it's worth, a friend of mine, a girl, has spent some time with Julian (before all of this happened) and she says he's a little bit creepy sexually, that it may well have happened the way the victims say yet that he's almost certainly not guilty of rape. Because he firmly believed that no girl wouldn't want to have sex with him and because he might have struggled with interprating body language and that sort of thing. I don't think he meant to harm anyone, even emotionally.

In hindsight expanding our definition of rape was a mistake, it lead to various right-wing memes such as Malmö being the rape capital of europe etc and I don't really see the point. What you call a specific crime isn't important, what matters is the punishment.
Most of the world thinks that Sweden is the rape capital of the world. Sweden is commonly used in international media as well as education as a failed liberal nation due to it's high degree of rapes when in reality it's more to do with more women coming forward regarding rape AND the broader definition of rape. So I'd say what you call it matters quite a lot.

In regards to Jillian, much of the international media refer to him as a rapist-alleged rapist BECAUSE of Sweden's broader definition. So in the subconscious mindset of the majority, he's a rapist. The US government wanted to discredit him and with that they succeeded.
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2018-10-24, 15:42
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Yeah but.. Steely Dan..

This is coming from someone who loves Deep Purple, the Rolling Stones, Queen, Led Zeppelin etc, almost all of the "gubbrock", but Steely Dan? I'd say it's a fair assessment.

I am saddened, we need a gubb pride week
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2018-10-24, 20:09
  #24
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Most of the world thinks that Sweden is the rape capital of the world. Sweden is commonly used in international media as well as education as a failed liberal nation due to it's high degree of rapes when in reality it's more to do with more women coming forward regarding rape AND the broader definition of rape. So I'd say what you call it matters quite a lot.

In regards to Jillian, much of the international media refer to him as a rapist-alleged rapist BECAUSE of Sweden's broader definition. So in the subconscious mindset of the majority, he's a rapist. The US government wanted to discredit him and with that they succeeded.

Fair enough, I agree with you, what I meant was that changing the definition was pointless, the same thing could have been achieved by other means. I assume the change was made in order to inflict harsher sentences for previously minor sexual charges, but I'm not sure. If that was the case you could have just changed the sentecing for those crimes instead of redefining them as rape.

Also it bothers me a little bit on the linguistic level, "våldtäkt" implies there's violence or at least a threat of violence.

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I am saddened, we need a gubb pride week

I'm sorry. Actually I don't know if I've ever heard anything by Steely Dan, I wouldn't be surpised if I'd like them. But I wouldn't worry about the "gubbrock"-label. Every generation rebels against the music of the previous generation to some extent, it's not all that oppressive really.
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