2017-02-19, 13:49
  #37
Medlem
SecundusSilents avatar
Den sydkoreanska underrättelsetjänsten (NIS) behöver inte jobba speciellt mycket. Först påstod den att Kim Jong Nam hade mördats av nordkoreanska agenter med hjälp av giftiga nålar. Sedan ändrades storyn så att mordet nu istället skett med hjälp av nån slags duschning av ansiktet. Detta gjordes långt före nån obduktion gjorts och långt före den malaysiska polisens utredning haft en chans att komma fram till något.

Man kan undra hur NIS kan ha alla detaljer så klara för sig, om den själv inte har varit på plats?

Min gissning är att påståendet om de giftiga nålarna var ett villospår som skulle grabba världsmedias uppmärksamhet. Därefter ändrades storyn för att mer adekvat spegla vad den sydkoreanska underrättelsetjänsten iscensatt. Sedan skylls allt på Nordkorea. Snyggt lätt jobbat.
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2017-02-19, 21:15
  #38
Medlem
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Här går hon till sprejattack mot Kim Jong-Nam.
En läckt övervakningsfilm uppges visa det dödliga överfallet mot den nordkoreanske diktatorns halvbror, rapporterar The Sun.
Vidare visar filmen hur Kim Jong-Nam går genom flygplatsen efter attacken och slår larm till personal och polis.

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En av de gripna är nordkorean medan de andra kommer från Indonesien, Malaysia och Vietnam.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/har-slar-lonnmordaren-till-mot-kim-jong-nam/
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2017-02-20, 16:32
  #39
Avslutad
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Ursprungligen postat av plexigear
Edit: jag tror själv att detta fallet handlar om tetrodotoxin då det stämmer in rätt så bra på alla beskrivingarna:

Yrsel, huvudvärk, snabb död.

Och det finns inget motgift och det är just detta man vill åstadkomma vid lönnmord eftersom man inte vill att sjukhuset / ambulans ska kunna rädda offret.
Sätter också mina sista slantar på tetrodotoxin. Det är också ett klassiskt "agent-gift". Det verkar ungefär på det tidsspann som hans sista tid. Ricin tar flera dagar innan det verkar.
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2017-02-23, 08:50
  #40
Medlem
SecundusSilents avatar
Den Demokratiska Folkrepubliken Korea har nu via sin centrala nyhetsförmedling kommenterat händelseutvecklingen. Intressant är att Pyongyang hänvisar till det diplomatiska beskyddet för personen som dog (som bar diplomatiskt pass) samt att denne dog i en hjärtattack. DFRK har också föreslagit en gemensam undersökningskommision.

Långt citat eftersom det är svårt länka direkt till artikeln och KCNA bryr sig föga om copyright protection. Texten hittas via kcna.kp:

Pyongyang, February 23 (KCNA) -- A citizen of the DPRK bearing a diplomatic passport suddenly fell into a state of shock before boarding an airliner and died on the way to a hospital in Malaysia on February 13.
At that time the Foreign Ministry of Malaysia and the hospital side informed the DPRK embassy in Kuala Lumpur exercising the right to consular protection of DPRK citizens that they confirmed he died of heart stroke and decided to transfer his body to the embassy and get it cremated.
So the DPRK embassy confirmed his identity and asked the Malaysian side to transfer his body.
However, no sooner had south Korean conservative media published a false report that he was "poisoned to death", citing it as "source from the government" that night, than the Malaysian secret police got involved in the case and recklessly made it an established fact, only to make matters complicated.
The DPRK embassy made it clear that autopsy is not necessary as his death had already been confirmed as the one due to heart stroke and autopsy should never be done as he enjoyed extraterritorial right according to the Vienna Convention as a carrier of diplomatic passport.
Nevertheless, the Malaysian side, in disregard of the DPRK's just demand and international law, made an autopsy of the body without any prior agreement with the DPRK side and its presence. Moreover, the Malaysian side clamored for the second autopsy without publishing the results of the first autopsy.
A spokesman for the Korean Jurists Committee in a statement on Wednesday termed this undisguised encroachment upon the sovereignty of the DPRK, a wanton human rights abuse and an act contrary to human ethics and morality.
The statement said:
What merits more serous attention is the fact that the unjust acts of the Malaysian side are timed to coincide with the anti-DPRK conspiratorial racket launched by the south Korean authorities.
Conservative media of south Korea began spreading wild rumors that the DPRK citizen was "poisoned to death by two women agents of the General Reconnaissance Bureau of north Korea" and it is undoubtedly its "deed" before the results of the autopsy were published.
On February 14, a day after his death, Chongwadae of south Korea kicked up a fuss over it and the south Korean authorities were busy holding a ministerial meeting on February 16, showing an excessive response. Moreover, they openly discussed the issue of THAAD deployment though it has nothing to do with the death of a DPRK citizen.
This proves that the south Korean authorities has long expected the case since it worked out a scenario for it.
It is, indeed, regretful that only Malaysia is denying such fact.
The biggest responsibility for his death rests with the government of Malaysia as the citizen of the DPRK died in its land.
The unfriendly attitude of the Malaysian side found a more striking manifestation in the matter of transferring his body to the DPRK side.
Malaysia is obliged to hand his body to the DPRK side as it made an autopsy and forensic examination of it in an illegal and immoral manner. However, it has not yet handed the body under the absurd pretext that it cannot do so unless the family of the deceased presents a DNA sample in accordance with its law.
This proves that the Malaysian side is going to politicize the transfer of the body in utter disregard of international law and morality and thus attain a sinister purpose.
In the early days when the incident happened Malaysia widely publicized that it arrested suspected persons but now keeps mum about it.
What sounds more alarming is that the suspected persons allegedly stated that the DPRK citizen was poisoned to death when "oil like lotion was put on his head with their hands." That means the woman survived even after having poison on her hand while leaving only the poisoned man dead.
The DPRK has already proposed a joint investigation for properly probing the incident and clarified that it is ready to dispatch a delegation of its jurists.
Its aim is to meet the suspected persons and hear their statements, confirm who ordered them and meet the arrested citizen and survey in detail the scene of the incident and its video footage and thus conclude the investigation into the incident in a fair way.
The DPRK will never allow any attempt to tarnish the image of the dignified power of independence and nuclear weapons state but make a thorough probe into the truth behind the case.
It will watch the future attitude of the Malaysian side."
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2017-02-24, 04:17
  #41
Medlem
Mplokos avatar
"Nervgas tros ha använts vid mordet på Kim Jong-Nam"

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6638530
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2017-02-24, 07:57
  #42
Medlem
kato85s avatar
Yes, det är VX vi pratar om här. Vilka djävlar..
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2017-02-24, 22:53
  #43
Medlem
Jonassons avatar
Min gissning är att det rör sig om tvåkomponents kemvapen, den ena komponenten i sprayen och den andra komponenten i trasan över ansiktet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_chemical_weapon
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2017-02-25, 00:15
  #44
Medlem
Mplokos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Jonasson
Min gissning är att det rör sig om tvåkomponents kemvapen, den ena komponenten i sprayen och den andra komponenten i trasan över ansiktet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_chemical_weapon

De två tvättade dock händerna direkt efteråt. Den ena verkar inte ha gått helt symptomfri heller:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kim-jong-nam-suspect-ill_us_58afbf98e4b0a8a9b780e958
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2017-02-25, 11:23
  #45
Medlem
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Drygt 800 kronor.
Så mycket pengar ska en av de misstänkta för mordet på Kim Jong-Nam, halvbror till Nordkoreas diktator Kim Jong-Un, ha fått för att utföra attacken.
Kvinnan hävdar dock att hon lurades till att utföra dådet i tron om att det var ett skämt, rapporterar nyhetsbyrån AP.

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Sammanlagt elva namngivna personer förekommer just nu i utredningen, även om alla inte är misstänkta för brott. Bland de misstänkta finns bland annat en diplomat vid den nordkoreanska ambassaden samt en anställd vid Nordkoreas statligt ägda flygbolag Air Koryo vara intressanta i mordutredningen.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/hon-fick-800-kronor-for-lonnmordet-pa-kim/
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2017-02-25, 18:33
  #46
Medlem
elastikmandens avatar
Ja, och han vill nu lägga skulden på en "oskyldig" kvinna som trodde hon smorde in honom med babyolja? Tänk om hon ÄR oskyldig då? Och totalt omedveten om det som pågick?

Han är nog smart lilla Kim, men vilken relation hade han i övrigt till denna halvbror?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Xm9wo/uppgifter-kvinnan-fick-800-kronor-for-att-morda-kim-jong-nam

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2017-02-25, 18:52
  #47
Medlem
Såg att det kunde vara "blåsfiskgift" potenta grejer! Nu tror jag ju inte att man gick fram och trycker en blåsfisk i ansiktet på honom - utan jag menar samma kemi.

Och det är skoj att NordKorea tror att de får avrätta sina dissidenter med att skicka "militära team" som agerar i samförstånd.

Det påminner om Israel och DDR - den typen av stater.
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2017-03-01, 21:26
  #48
Medlem
SecundusSilents avatar
Media i DFRK refererar fortfarande till den döde mannen som "Kim Chol" och fördömer alla konspirationsteorier om att Pyongyang skulle ligga bakom hans död. Inte minst påpekas att det finns oerhört mycket frågetecken kring VX. Sedan refereras till att det finns en koppling mellan den vietnamesiska kvinnan och Sydkorea, vilket tidigare omnämnts bl a av Reuters. Enligt Reuters har hon besökt Sydkorea åtminstone vid ett tillfälle. KCNA refererar till att de misstänkta besökt Sydkorea vid upprepade tillfällen. Det återstår och se vad som kommer ut av detta.

Reuters artikel här:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-malaysia-kim-vietnam-idUSKBN1611UT

KCNAs artikel, som man inte kan länka till direkt, följer här:
”Pyongyang, March 1 (KCNA) -- It is half a month since Kim Chol, a citizen of the DPRK bearing a diplomatic passport, died in Malaysia on Feb. 13.
The cause of his death has not yet been clearly identified but the U.S. and the south Korean authorities are groundlessly blaming the DPRK, asserting that he was intoxicated by highly poisonous VX nerve substance.
The absurdity of the U.S. and the south Korean authorities' assertion and lack of its scientific accuracy and logical coherence are proven even by comments made by experts and media of other countries.
It is view of chemists of many countries that even a drop of VX may claim deaths of tens or hundreds of people and it has strong permeability and stability as its properties. They asserted a claim that the woman suspect was safe because she washed her hands at a washroom does not correspond with the chemical property of VX. They added that even if the persons suspected of murder had been injected with atropine, basic antidote of VX, they might have fallen into shock and that even if they had worn gloves, this fatal substance would have been extremely dangerous. It is, therefore, the height of absurdity to claim that the person who applied VX, a substance fatal to the life even in case of inhalation of a tiny amount of it or its touch of skin, was left unaffected and the person to whom it was applied met a death, they asserted.
World media query that if component of VX was allegedly detected from Kim Chol's eyes and lips, the ambulance that carried him and police who guarded him must have all been intoxicated and if so, the airport should have been closed but it is still in operation.
Experts on international law and analysts said that under a regulation of the international organization on ban on chemical weapons, a final conclusion on the results of analysis of chemical weapons can be drawn only on the basis of the identical results of analysis made by at least two specialized laboratories, stressing that the recent case should have been reported to the organization and the relevant sample should have been analyzed at a lab designated by the organization. They further contended that if the use of VX were true, it would be necessary to probe where the substance was from, who made it and who handed it. Drawing any conclusion about VX without any concrete study would be unscientific and if some countries try to use it for other political purposes, the consequences will be beyond imagination, they warned.
Some media suspect that in view of the fact that the women arrested as suspected murderers had visited south Korea several times in the past, it is highly possible that the south Korean authorities let them carry the said substance. This is by no means fortuitous.
Almost all countries have scrapped chemical weapons under the convention on ban on chemical weapons but only the U.S. and some other countries still possess the said substance. What is all the more problematic is the fact that the U.S. is introducing into south Korea all kinds of chemical weapons.
This being a hard fact, the U.S. and the south Korean authorities are kicking up an anti-DPRK smear campaign, groundlessly pulling it up.
From the beginning the south Korean authorities spread rumor that the "death of Kim Chol was intoxication by two women secret agents sent by General Reconnaissance Bureau of north Korea" and "their dead bodies will appear", causing confusion and driving a wedge between the DPRK and Malaysia.
Lately they tried to use Kim Chol's death for their stepped-up racket of "human rights" against the DPRK and floated the story about "use of chemical weapons" or "use of WMD" by someone in a bid to create atmosphere of "international criticism" of the DPRK.
The reckless moves of the U.S. and the south Korean authorities are aimed to meet the dangerous political purpose to tarnish the image of the dignified DPRK and bring down the social system in it. This is clear to everyone.
The danger and gravity of the problem lie in that the story about "use of chemical weapons" touted by the U.S. and the south Korean authorities has something in common with the story of "Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction" spread by the U.S. in the 1990s.
It is the final aim sought by the U.S. to stir up international repugnancy towards the DPRK, lay an international siege for putting pressure on it and provoke a nuclear war against the DPRK at any cost.
The U.S., however, is mistaken.
Should the U.S. and the south Korean authorities keep resorting to political chicanery to bring down the social system in the DPRK, being lost to reasons, the DPRK will be compelled to take stronger measures for self-defence in order to protect the sovereignty and dignity of the country.
The U.S. and its vassal forces should not run amuck, clearly understanding the strategic position of the DPRK as a nuclear power.”
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