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2013-06-19, 08:41
  #44605
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Holmers bok är känd för att ha en blandning av riktiga och påhittade identiteter.....
Holmérs böcker är alla nyckelromaner på ett eller annat sätt. När man lärt sig stilen så finns många guldkorn att vaska ur dem.
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2013-06-19, 09:08
  #44606
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Kan du utveckla dina tankegångar, är Christop Andersson desinformatören, menar du? Eller är Stasi arkivet felaktigt eller ljuger fd. Stasiofficeraren i nutid?Varför ska en fdStasiofficer ljuga i nutid i så fall, anser du?
Jag vet inte vilka som är desinformatörer, men så som du formulerar det så är det desinformation. Alldeles oavsett Stasis aktioner i frågan så kan EAP och VG vara inblandade i MOP.
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2013-06-19, 09:20
  #44607
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.....Bara för att det är Krantz-nivå i resonemangets logiska följdriktighet innebär inte att det behöver ligga vilseledande avsikter bakom...... det är lite synd att många av de vettiga tråddeltagarna tycks tröttna efter en tid och slutar medverka i den pågående diskussionen......
Polisens olagliga spaningsmetoder med Tell&Piltz Avsan Perä osv såsom misslyckade infiltratörer i spelet är tydligen det som till varje pris måste tystas ner. Därför ingrep SPF mot Krantz med sina typiska metoder mot familjen och mediala karaktärsmord som kan driva vem som helst till galenskap. Logiken ur Krantz perspektiv kunde då bara återställas med vad Eskil Block visste om det likaså arrangerade dramat i familjen Palme. Sanningssökandet från båda håll måste ändå ha varit uppriktigt kom jag fram till efter närmare bekantskap med Block. Och frågan varför varje vettig ny deltagare i forumet så snart tröttnar eller manövreras ut tyder på att mörkerkrafterna fortfarande har majoritetsmakt på demokratins bekostnad.
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2013-06-19, 09:22
  #44608
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Om man vill vara riktigt konspiratoriskt så skulle man tänka att ett genomtröskat och havererat PKK-spår skulle kunna skydda en kurdisk/iransk gärningsman.
Även om han härstammade från shahens gamla CIA-tränade underrättelsetjänst så skulle det ge även honom alibi om kurdspåret vore "fullständigt utrett".
Kan dom vara så finurliga?
Ja visst kan dom, men vad jag menade var att EAP och VG kunde ha varit inblandade i MOP på något sätt alldeles oavsett om Stasi efteråt bestämde sig för att få detta spår framhävt.

År 1986 var CIA säkert intresserade av att dölja sin eventuella inblandning i MOP, men så som utvecklingen går så kommer de snart att börja antyda lite svagt att de var inblandade...
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2013-06-19, 09:42
  #44609
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Tackar, jag hittade det till slut med er hjälp. Trist bara att han hade solbrillor på. Men det är rätt intressant att han är vän med Helin och att se vilka personer han beundrar och googla upp varifrån han fått sina citat. Det säger en del om hans personlighet. Samtidigt lite mysko att han bara har fyra vänner, och en så pass öppen profil. Känns nästan lite planterat. Men ändå inte.

Men jag funderar på om han eller någon annan av "hjältarna" (obs! ironi) kan finnas med på Helins bild:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/475271_10150847057357901_400076106_o.jpg

(någon av hans vänner pekade ut Helin som mannen tvåa till vänster, vet dock ej om det stämmer?) Vilka är de andra?

???

Är mannen längst till höger Sonny Björk?
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2013-06-19, 09:48
  #44610
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Jag vet inte vilka som är desinformatörer, men så som du formulerar det så är det desinformation. Alldeles oavsett Stasis aktioner i frågan så kan EAP och VG vara inblandade i MOP.
Min gissning är att en sådan som Oliver North eller Charles ITT Morgan sökte upp sina kontakter inom Contra, EAP, Baltiska Kommittén osv för att testa vilka enskildas lojalitet till finansmakten kunde sträckas så långt att de kunde gå bakom ryggen på sina egna och vad det i så fall skulle kosta. Med Contras maffiaaffärer som även kunde finansiera CIA:s hemligaste gren, som OP också kunde avslöja, fanns tydligen hur mycket pengar som helst för ändamålet. Anders Larsson, VG liksom v.Birchan genomskådade dock planen och försökte varna folk i regeringen eller hos Säpo men där satt Näss och spelade på ännu högre nivå med SPF.
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2013-06-19, 10:30
  #44611
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Nu håller tråden på att förlora sig självt i gammalt spam med älsklingsutrryck som "desinformation", SPF, likhetstecken mellan Charles Morgan och Oliver North trots att de som har åtminstone lite koll vet att Charles Morgan snarare ska ha likhetstecken med Felipe Vidal enligt von Birchans utsaga.

Nog om dom bitarna tycker jag.

R,D*hlgren och framförallt Fl*ckt/K*rlsson är där den intressantaste infon kommit fram på senaste tiden och jag tycker vi fortsätter där istället.
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2013-06-19, 10:50
  #44612
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Ja visst kan dom, men vad jag menade var att EAP och VG kunde ha varit inblandade i MOP på något sätt alldeles oavsett om Stasi efteråt bestämde sig för att få detta spår framhävt.
År 1986 var CIA säkert intresserade av att dölja sin eventuella inblandning i MOP, men så som utvecklingen går så kommer de snart att börja antyda lite svagt att de var inblandade...
Att CIA höll sig framme och var inblandat precis som alla andra hemligtjänster är självklart. Alla vaktar de på varandra och söker info via samma sorts privatpraktiserande dubbel eller trippelagenter världen över. Nationella milisorganisationer som Säpo eller SSI har då fullt upp att hålla koll på sina egna och har inte en chans att reda ut vilka som bär ansvaret för vad när något händer.
CIAs liksom Mossads specialitet är att få extremister från motsatta läger att samverka i riktade illdåd. Med hemlig finansiering från samma håll i bakgrunden utplånas alla ideologiska motsättningar. Baresic från Ustasja blev kompis med Durai från PKK i fängelset där det visade sig att båda jobbat för CIA exv. En CIA wannabe som VG gjorde sig vän med en veteran som v.Birchan och båda blev vittnen till Contras finansiering av kommande mordplan.
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2013-06-19, 11:13
  #44613
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....de som har åtminstone lite koll vet att Charles Morgan snarare ska ha likhetstecken med Felipe Vidal enligt von Birchans utsaga.....
Vidal är Trowbridges favorit och egna tolkning av vad v.Birchan berättat. De kom aldrig överens. Efter att jag tålmodigt försökt medla under ett år som länk mellan dem båda fick Trowbridge spel och lade ut sin teori om att jag i så fall måste vara Säpoagent. Lustigt nog bemöttes jag med samma misstankar då jag för mina helt andra källor i andra rättsskandaler påpekade den gemensamma nämnaren SPF.
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2013-06-19, 11:32
  #44614
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.....Det finns en hel del omständigheter kring mordet man borde kunna komma till botten med, som vänds och vrids på i diskussionen men sedan lämnas som en löst hängande tråd för att det inte verkar gå att komma längre. Enskildheter såsom skottordning, Dekorimaman eller ej, avlyssning av bostaden osv. som var och en sig kanske inte leder mycket närmare identifikation av en gärningsmann, men som sammantaget - om det reds ut tillfullo - skulle kunna föra allting ett stort steg framåt.
Just dessa grundförutsättningar för att på ett vettigt sätt komma vidare fick redan Holmér erfara saboterades från centralt, anonymt och överordnat håll. Uddis klargjorde skottordningen efter tips från Säpo som jag tror på men då detta samtidigt gav stöd för min teori kom de mest fantastiska bortförklaringar som fortfarande ältas.
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2013-06-19, 11:39
  #44615
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vad som står om RD i "stadskupp i slowmotion"

Rolf Dahlgren, private driver of future chief investigator Hans Holmér, later claims that he drives Holmér, his mistress, and somebody he refers to as the Ambassador past the site of the murder.

For others who are not so easily convinced, the question remains: Where was Hans Holmér during the night of the murder? One hint about the real truth might have come from Police Inspector Rolf “Dallas” Dahlgren, trained as an elite soldier, paratrooper, dog trainer, bodyguard, and later driver for the top people within politics and Säpo. On September 1, 1990, this man told Police Superintendent Gösta Söderström that in fact he drove Holmér past the murder site immediately after the murder, north on Sveavägen.
“Where did you fetch him?” asked Gösta Söderström. “In Falun.”
“But wasn’t it in Borlänge you fetched him. He was
going to join in the Vasa ski race, to have spent the night at the Scandic Hotel, and then have driven alone in his car back to Stockholm.”
“That is not true”, answered Dahlgren.
“But how is it possible that you were at the site of the crime seven minutes after the murder, when you drove from Falun?”
“We flew.”
“Something here does not tally at all. If you had been in Stockholm, as you said earlier, where were you then, when you found out about the murder?”
“On Sveaplan.
“ Dahlgren changed this information on several different occasions. One version was that “I drove the limousine for a rental firm that night. I drove an ambassador (see page 641).” But the time reported by the Police Inspector was always exactly 11.28 p.m., that is to say, seven minutes after the shots, two minutes before the first squad car arrived at the crime scene, and one minute before the murder was transmitted on the police radio. That means that Holmér was at the murder site even before the arrival of the first squad car.”
Life-companion of Dahlgren, Lillian Fäldt, who was herself employed by the police authority, very well remembers what Rolf had told her:

“You see, when Ullah Ankarspong, a lawyer from Gothenburg, and I visited Rolf, we asked him some questions about the murder of Olof Palme, and then Rolf told us that he and Holmér had been by the crime site seven minutes after the murder. After a while, we asked the same question again, and he gave us the same answer.”
This unheard-of statement has been confirmed by other journalists and police officers who have been in contact with Dahlgren. It might thus be seriously questioned whether Holmér even left Stockholm. He definitely was not in Borlänge.
In February, 1991, the Moderna Tider programme in TV3 went to see Police Inspector Rolf Dahlgren. On this occasion he refused to appear in front of a camera, but through the letter slit of his flat confirmed what he had said.
“Ask Holmér! His fiancée was also there.”
“But why don’t you want to say any more?”
“It is secret, don’t you understand!”
“Have you been pressurized?” asked the journalist. “Yes.”
“By whom?” “My boss.”
The persistent efforts of Sven Anér to reach the general public have mostly been stopped. But not always. One of the few other journalist who have questioned the activities of the head of investigations during the night of the murder was journalist Olle Alsén of Dagens Nyheter:
“One reason among many – why the question about where Holmér spent the night [is so important] – might be contradictory information from a Police Inspector in Stockholm who had been Holmér’s driver”, he wrote on September 3, 1991. “This man sometimes claimed and then revoked his statement, that he drove Holmér past the murder site that night, that they flew down from Falun, that they were on Sveaplan (in Stockholm) when the murder alarm was transmitted, and several more oddities.
On the five-year anniversary of the murder, surprised watchers of TV3 heard the man himself – via a letter slit in a closed door with his name on it – shout “Yes” to the question whether he had driven Holmér past the site of the murder on February 28, 1986, but that it was secret and that he had been forbidden by his boss to say anything. But now he denies all that and even denies that he had participated in the TV programme... Is there not one figure correct in the Palme equation?”
This question is well worth asking, because there seems to be a sort of curse over the Palme case. Some have even had to pay a high price. After his dramatic disclosure, Rolf “Dallas” Dahlgren was subjected to harassment at his workplace, and was even accused of misconduct when his service card disappeared at the office. After, in accordance with regulations, he had reported what had happened to his superior, filled in a report, and just received a new identity card, he was suddenly accused of trying


to cheat with double identities upon which his superior opened his safe and picked out Rolf Dahlgren’s lost service card. That means that the card had been at his workplace the whole time, but in the safe of the head of police!
In spite of this absurd accusation, the case was taken to court, and Rolf Dahlgren was fined 5,000 Kronor. Before that the court had tried to have the accused declared mentally deranged (?), something that was stopped through the joined intervention by Superintendent Gösta Söderström and private investigator, Fritz G. Pettersson.
When Dahlgren returned to his workplace, he was
transferred to a completely nonsensical office job. He also
experienced that he was being increasingly frozen out as
many of his colleagues considered it serious that Holmér
himself had accused him. The pressure was tough, and he soon became psychologically burned-out and depressed. On May 4, 1994, he was found dead in his kitchen “due to long-term alcohol abuse”.
We shall be returning to the strange activities of Rolf Dahlgren during the night of the murder.
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2013-06-19, 11:40
  #44616
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del 2 RD:

There is even more circumstantial evidence. Let us for a while return to the comings and goings during the 24 hours around the murder of County Police Commissioner and the first Chief Investigator, Hans Holmér. Officially, of course, he was in Borlänge to participate in the Vasa skiing competition – something that later on turned out to be a downright lie. This has been disclosed by his private driver, Rolf “Dallas” Dahlgren who is now deceased, and who claimed that he in fact drove Holmér past the murder site seven minutes after the assassination!
In connection with a visit to the Riksdag building at the end of the
1980s, Rolf Dahlgren handed in a detailed version (See PalmeNytt no 7-02) about what had happened to Member of Parliament Jerry Martinger, ordinary member of the Commission of Justice 1988-92. Rolf Dahlgren’s story exists in Jerry Martinger’s memorandum, which was delivered to the Chief Public Prosecutor’s Unit for Special Cases on June 13, 2000, registration number C-1-31-99 (but which, like so much other evidence, is today non-existent in the investigation, according to Detective Superintendent Åke Röst):
On Friday, February 28, 1986, the intention was that Police Inspector Rolf Dahlgren should be on duty from 3.00 p.m. until midnight. Just after lunch, he was, however, contacted by phone by his boss, Hans Holmér, who told him that he could take the rest of the day off, except for one task: to fetch someone at the Stockholm Central Station at 3.00 p.m. As the reason why Dahlgren could take the day off, Holmér explained,
“I don’t intend to be in Stockholm during the evening.”
Dahlgren was under the impression that the call had been made from Holmér’s office, and went towards the center of Stockholm. The man he was to fetch turned out to be an executive type about 60 years old. Dahlgren guessed that he had arrived by train from some other part of the country.
After a short drive to the Slottskajen, Dahlgren parked close to the Mynttorget. The man was gone for about twenty minutes. When he came back, he was apparently pressed for time, saying that they had to hurry to the Police HQ. Rolf Dahlgren became stressed, and happened to back into a car. But when he got out to leave a message to the owner, his passenger shouted in a temper,
“We bloody well don’t have time for that now. I will take the car number, and fix this later.”
During the drive from Slottskajen to police headquarters, nothing was said in the car. When they got there, the man pointed out that Dahlgren had to go down into the garage of the HQ, where two younger men were waiting.
After this task was completed, Dahlgren went back to his home on Kungsholmen 706
to spend some quiet time with a few colleagues during the afternoon. A couple of hours later, at 5.20 p.m. another police officer unexpectedly arrived at Dahlgren’s flat. Dahlgren did not know him, but was aware that he worked “close to Holmér”. It also turned out that he brought a message from the County Police Commissioner telling Dahlgren that he had to be on duty after all, and among other things, should pick up Holmér.
(For some unknown reason, Rolf Dahlgren did not want to tell Member of Parliament Jerry Martinger where, when and how he was to fetch Hans Holmér. When questioned directly whether this was to be carried out in the usual way, Dahlgren claimed that, as things were, he could not answer that. We therefore have to leave a five-hour gap in the story, and return to Martinger's document which continues with the activities of the two people during the evening):
According to driver Rolf Dahlgren, he crisscrossed around Stockholm from about 10.30 p.m. in a way he had difficulty understanding. All the time, Holmér was giving him orders to go to different places, which made Dahlgren feel as if he was driving an inquisitive tourist.
At about 20.45 p.m., Hans Holmér jumped out of the car at Mariatorget in Söder, and walked to an entrance of some kind of hotel. Dahlgren noticed how Holmér talked to an unknown man in the doorway, and also that the man gave Holmér a newspaper. In connection with this, the man asked Dahlgren to wait a few minutes, while the Police Commissioner read something in the paper.
After this, they drove off towards the central parts of Stockholm, and thus passed the coming murder site several times. The older man, whom Dahlgren had driven during the afternoon, was later fetched at the Opera not far from the Royal Castle, the Foreign Office, and the Parliament building. This took place some minutes before 11.00 p.m., and together they now drove around the Rådmansgatan district several times. Dahlgren was under the impression that the man and Holmér were looking for something or somebody there. After this, the man was let out close to Odenplan.
Just before 11.30 p.m., that is to say, a few minutes after the fatal shots on Sveavägen, they were at “one edge of Hagagatan” close to Sveaplan. Holmér stepped out of the car and went up to a man about 25 years of age. It seemed as if they had made an appointment beforehand.
After a few minutes, Holmér came back saying that Olof Palme had been shot on Sveavägen. Dahlgren at once sped off towards the crime site, where quite a lot of people had gathered, but was then told to “just go slowly past the murder site”, something he found very strange! The top brass of the police has just been told that the Prime Minister of the country has been the victim of an attempted murder, and then orders his driver to just drive on...
Rolf Dahlgren was sure that they passed the site of the crime seven minutes after the assassination, about 11.28.30 p.m. – almost at the same time as Superintendent Gösta Söderström arrived there as the first police officer.
About half an hour later (just after midnight) and after more cruising around in the centre of Stockholm, they were on Norrmälarstrand. Dahlgren was told to pick up a waiting woman about 50 years of age. This woman was then driven to an address in Sundbyberg. Dahlgren does not remember the address, but later discovered that she had forgotten some kind of jacket in the car. (Author’s remark: Can this jacket have anything to do with the mystery concerning Lisbet Palme’s coat? Please also note that both the women are of the same age).
At last, Dahlgren was ordered to drive on to the Mälarhöjden Underground station, where he let off Holmér just before 00.30 a.m. In this connection the County Police Commissioner reminded Dahlgren in no uncertain terms of his professional secrecy, after which he disappeared in a dark blue Volvo. In this car was at least one person apart from the driver. Holmér took the forgotten jacket with him.
Here ends Dahlgren’s report concerning the night of the murder – a version that has earlier been published in different ways and which has caused a lot of surprise. Journalist Sven Anér has succeeded through stubborn digging work in getting hold of Rolf Dahlgren’s payroll record (See PalmeNytt nos 7 and 8 –02) from the night of the assassination, i.e., proof that he was really working overtime that day – something that has always been officially denied.
In March, 2003, two new witnesses turned up, saying that they had seen Hans Holmér during the night of the murder, outside Kreditbanken on the corner of Norrmalmstorg and Hamngatan. It had then been about 02.20 a.m., and Holmér was wearing a black leather jacket. They recognized him both by his face and his “tough appearance”.
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