Absolut. Det är därför man har väntat i 40 år på att åtala honom och döma honom i domstol. Det var inte viktigt tidigare, men nu var det oerhört viktigt att göra det för skattebetalarnas pengar i NYC, som av en ren slump månader innan presidentvalet han sett ut att kamma hem.
En ren slump.
Nu skedde ju brotten han dömdes för inte för 40 år sedan utan tvärtom ganska så nyligen med juridiska mått. Det här har hanterats precis som vilket annat bokföringsbrott som helst. Ett brott som man ser ganska allvarligt på i de flesta välutvecklade länder. Lägg foliehatten på hyllan och kom in i matchen.
Det är möjligt att det var hans företags pengar, men det spelar ingen roll. Det var forfarande en högst privat betalning.
Själv trodde jag (går att se i samma tråd) för över ett år sen att han skulle frias och att åtalet såg tunnt ut. Men jag hade ju inte tillgång till bevisningen då.
Inte nödvändigtvis behöver det anses som en privat betalning, företaget och varumärket Trump är ju ändå bakom företaget och skulle tagit skada om storyn kom ut. Tycker därför inte att det vore en självklarhet att det är en privat betalning.
Men såklart att det även hjälpte kampanjen, men det var nog inte enbart kampanjen, och inte enbart privata, och inte enbart företaget man tänkte på när man ville tysta den här händelsen. Var nog en kombination utav alla tre och definitivt inte ställt bakom allt rimligt tvivel.
Hursomhelst tycker jag att åtalet var väldigt tunt och skulle aldrig ha åtalats om det inte vore för att det var Trump som ställer upp för presidentposten. Men vi får se vad det får för politiska påföljder, tror det varken ger en fördel eller nackdel i opinionssiffrorna.
Nu skedde ju brotten han dömdes för inte för 40 år sedan utan tvärtom ganska så nyligen med juridiska mått. Det här har hanterats precis som vilket annat bokföringsbrott som helst. Ett brott som man ser ganska allvarligt på i de flesta välutvecklade länder. Lägg foliehatten på hyllan och kom in i matchen.
Du menar 8-9 år sen?
Det känns som att preskriptionstiden borde rinna ut.
Det är inte bokföringsbrott att knulla en porrhora och betala henne för att hålla käft.
Inte nödvändigtvis behöver det anses som en privat betalning, företaget och varumärket Trump är ju ändå bakom företaget och skulle tagit skada om storyn kom ut. Tycker därför inte att det vore en självklarhet att det är en privat betalning.
Men såklart att det även hjälpte kampanjen, men det var nog inte enbart kampanjen, och inte enbart privata, och inte enbart företaget man tänkte på när man ville tysta den här händelsen. Var nog en kombination utav alla tre och definitivt inte ställt bakom allt rimligt tvivel.
Hursomhelst tycker jag att åtalet var väldigt tunt och skulle aldrig ha åtalats om det inte vore för att det var Trump som ställer upp för presidentposten. Men vi får se vad det får för politiska påföljder, tror det varken ger en fördel eller nackdel i opinionssiffrorna.
Just den privata orsaken togs upp i målet, bl.a. i förhöret med Cohen. Cohens svar (minns inte exakt frågan) var i varje fall att Trump inte gjorde betalningen för Melanias skull, utan för inte skada kampanjen. Det var enligt Trump ändå flera kvinnor som stod på tur att bli hans nästa fru, var andemeningen.
Återigen, om Trump inte hade varit dumsnål och betalat sin egen porrfilmsmuta själv, så hade ingenting bokförts och ingenting åtalats.
För den som är intresserad av vad Trump faktiskt blev åtalad och dömd för har jag fixat en lista. Det är så långt att det blir två inlägg.
Below are the 34 counts, as listed by the DA’s office, and the jury's verdict on each one.
Count 1 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 2 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 3 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 842460, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 4 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Account check and check stub dated February 14, 2017, bearing check number 000138, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 5 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about March 16, 2017 through March 17, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 16, 2017 and transmitted on or about March 16, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 6 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about March 17, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 846907, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 7 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about March 17, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Account check and check stub dated March 17, 2017, bearing check number 000147, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 8 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about April 13, 2017 through June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated April 13, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 9 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 858770, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 10 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated June 19, 2017, bearing check number 002740, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 11 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about May 22, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated May 22, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 12 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about May 22, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 855331, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 13 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about May 23, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated May 23, 2017, bearing check number 002700, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 14 (falsifying business records in the first degree):
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 16, 2017 through June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated June 16, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 15 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 858772, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 16 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated June 19, 2017, bearing check number 002741, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 17 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
Jag tror inte att någon känner att Trump har begått något brott.
Att knulla en porrhora kan ju inte vara ett brott.
Att betala en porrhora för att hon ska hålla käften känns jävligt generöst.
Vad gråter du om?
Åtalet är politiskt och lagvidrigt.
Folk känner allt möjligt. Frågan är om han har begått ett brott, något man nu kommit fram till att han har gjort. Gör man det så får man stå sitt kast.
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about July 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated July 11, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 18 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about July 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 861096, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 19 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about July 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated July 11, 2017, bearing check number 002781, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 20 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about August 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated August 1, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 21 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about August 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 863641, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 22 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about August 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated August 1, 2017, bearing check number 002821, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 23 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about September 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated September 11, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 24 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about September 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 868174, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 25 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about September 12, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated September 12, 2017, bearing check number 002908, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 26 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about October 18, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated October 18, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 27 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about October 18, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 872654, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 28 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about October 18, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated October 18, 2017, bearing check number 002944, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 29 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about November 20, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated November 20, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 30 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about November 20, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 876511, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 31 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about November 21, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated November 21, 2017, bearing check number 002980, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 32 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated December 1, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 33 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 877785, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
Count 34 (falsifying business records in the first degree): Guilty
“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 5, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated December 5, 2017, bearing check number 003006, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”
