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Varför sa de ja, månne?
“Oleg Tsarev described at length the extreme pressure the deputies were put under during the Verkhovna Rada voting: “I called my friend Vitaly Grushevski. He did not respond. Then I called his aide, who told me that Grushevski has been beaten up next to the Parliament. They have taken voting cards from some deputies and started voting on their behalf. It is possible that some deputies from whom the cards have been taken are locked up somewhere in the Rada. There is no Symonenko (Communist Party of Ukraine –DP), nor many other deputies, who were beaten up earlier, in the Rada.*“ (https://www.strifeblog.org/2018/09/26/strife-feature-elites-and-activists-in-donetsk-before-the-armed-conflict/ )
"folket sa till på skarpen"
runka runka runka . Det var en liten minoritet som jagade iväg honom. De flesta i folket hade varit nöjda med omval och rättsprocesser.
“Oleg Tsarev described at length the extreme pressure the deputies were put under during the Verkhovna Rada voting: “I called my friend Vitaly Grushevski. He did not respond. Then I called his aide, who told me that Grushevski has been beaten up next to the Parliament. They have taken voting cards from some deputies and started voting on their behalf. It is possible that some deputies from whom the cards have been taken are locked up somewhere in the Rada. There is no Symonenko (Communist Party of Ukraine –DP), nor many other deputies, who were beaten up earlier, in the Rada.*“ (https://www.strifeblog.org/2018/09/26/strife-feature-elites-and-activists-in-donetsk-before-the-armed-conflict/ )
"folket sa till på skarpen"
runka runka runka . Det var en liten minoritet som jagade iväg honom. De flesta i folket hade varit nöjda med omval och rättsprocesser.Detta från rysstroll och Sovjetnostalgiker återkommande tema med Euromaidan och Yanukovichs avsättande har du redan tröskat igenom så många gånger att det numer borde anses ligga farligt nära off topic i tråden. Alla dina argument har redan blivit bemötta men ändå fortsätter du tynga tråden med denna argumentsloop. Du förstör debatten om Ukrainakriget, är det vad du vill? Vi tar det en sista gång nu:
Efter Euromaidan 2014 avsatte parlamentet i Ukraina den ryssvänlige presidenten Yanukovich eftersom han vägrade följa parlamentets beslut samt hade bussat beväpnad polis på demonstranter varvid ca 100 personer dödades. Sedermera dömdes Yanukovich också av domstol i Ukraina för förräderi. Han beräknas även ha svindlat den ukrainska statskassan på ca 37 biljoner dollar....
https://transparency.eu/corruption-opulence-and-decadence-in-ukraine/
Yanukovich bor numer i Ryssland under Putins beskydd. Han är mannen som ger landsförräderi ett ansikte. Han är en råtta kort sagt. Hans svek mot Ukraina är monumentalt. Om man släppte honom i en ukrainsk folkmassa finns stor risk för Khadaffiavslut på hans liv. Här är ett citat från Wikipedia om Yanukovich: "Yanukovych is regarded as the worst president in Ukrainian history"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych
Efter Euromaidanhändelserna år 2014 har Ukraina haft flera fria val och då tydligt visat att de inte vill stå nära Ryssland utan de föredrar att närma sig EU-demokratierna. I dagens läge, efter ett år av folkmord och krigsbrott från Rysslands sida i Ukraina, är det givetvis uteslutet för flera generationer av ukrainare att hysa en positiv inställning till Ryssland. Så alldeles oavsett om det skulle kunnat gått att sköta avsättandet av landsförrädaren Yanokovich på ett annat sätt eller ej är frågan HELT irrelevant numer. Ukrainarna avskyr honom och de avskyr ryssar. Kan vi släppa detta nu?
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Ryssland använde inte våld förrän efter Euromaidan. Yanukovich var möjligtvis mutad av Ryssland, ingen vet. Ilskan på Euromaidan var på slutet inte primärt över EU. Det var över polisvåldet. Synd att inte Euromaidan utreddes med internationell översyn.
Har du läst denna om "löftet"? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-russia-deal-special-report-idUSBRE9BI0DZ20131219
Har du läst denna om "löftet"? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-russia-deal-special-report-idUSBRE9BI0DZ20131219
Våld i Ukraina av ryss-land? I ett annat land?
Vem har rätt att agera så?
Primärt?
Vad och hur kan du säga det?
Skiftar fokus, som vanligt.
på slutet....jo tjosan! vilken timme då??
The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU,[88] but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.[
Polisvåld
On 24 November 2013, clashes between protesters and police began. Protesters strived to break cordon. Police used tear gas and batons. Protesters also used tear gas and some fire crackers (according to the police, protesters were the first to use them).
Det var ju Yanukovych polis i detta läget, som slog ner protesterna. enligt din logik med CIA som påhejade detta, så Yanukovych en CIA agent
Som sedan flydde till Putin
Ingen internationell utredning av Maidan?
Duger inte UN HRMM?
FN?
I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU) was deployed in March 2014. One of its objectives is to "establish facts and circumstances and conduct a mapping of alleged human rights violations committed in the course of anti-Government demonstrations and ensuing violence between November 2013 and March 2014")
In its periodic public reports' on the human rights situation in Ukraine, HRMMU regularly documents the developments in bringing those responsible for human rights violations perpetrated during the events known as Maidan protests to justice. Although other human rights violations occurred during the Maidan protests, this briefing note (i) summarizes the developments in investigations and prosecutions of the killings and violent deaths 98 individuals (96 men, including one boy, and two women) during Maidan protests and (ii) offers recommendations to address shortcomings in administering justice for these crimes.
All victims from the Maidan protests died or sustained lethal injuries in January-February 2014, when the protests turned violent following the adoption by Parliament of a series of laws that limited freedom of peaceful assembly and expression, and introduced criminal responsibility for extremism and the seizure of administrative buildings. The internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (disbanded since and reformed into the National Guard) and Berkut special riot police units (disbanded shortly after the end of the Maidan protests and reformed into special units within regional police departments), who had been dispatched to restrain the protestors, were reinforced with civilian counter-protestors, so-called 'titusliky', allegedly upon coordination with the former senior police officials.
Five years after the end of the Maidan protests accountability for the killings and violent deaths of 84 protestors, a man who did not participate in the protests, and 13 law enforcement officers is yet to be achieved. The investigation into the killing of 17 protestors and 13 law enforcement officers has still to identify individual perpetrators. Only one person has been found guilty of unintentional killing of a protestor. Two others were found guilty of hooliganism in relation to an incident that resulted in the killing of another protestor.
Prosecution is ongoing in relation to: (i) the leader of the group of ‘titushky' charged with organizing the abduction and killing of one protestor on 21 January 2014 in Kyiv; (ii) the former Head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) department for Kyiv city and Kyiv region and former deputy Head of Public Safety Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs charged with abuse of authority, resulting in the killing of 15 protestors on 18-19 February 2014 in Kyiv; (iii) a member of ‘titushky' group accused of attempted killing one Maidan protestor during the night of 19 February 2014 in Kyiv; (iv) two SBU officers charged with abuse of authority that resulted in the unintentional killing of a woman on 19 February 2014 in Khmelnytskyi; and (v) five Berkut officers charged with killing 48 protestors and an internal troops sniper charged with the killing one protestor on 20 February 2014 in Kyiv.
HRMMU is concerned that law enforcement agencies failed to take measures to prevent identified alleged perpetrators from fleeing the country, resulting in them escaping justice. Some, having been charged with the killing of the protestors, managed to abscond following the courts' decisions to release them from custody without taking measures that would ensure their appearance for trial.
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