Gasläcka i Nord Stream 1 och 2. Vad har hänt, attack eller olycka? (2022-09-26)

Återigen, Nordstream 2 levererar ingen gas till Tyskland. Så vad skulle USA vinna på att sabotera Nordstream 2? Den är ju ändå inte igång, utan bara trycksatt. Saboterar man en trycksatt ledning med explosiv gas rakt ut i havet så utgör det en säkerhetsrisk för sjöområdet.. (Vad skulle USA vinna på det?)

Var nämner han något om att dom ska ge sig på Nordstream 1?

USA har aldrig varit inne på att förstöra varken Nordstream 1 eller 2. USA slöt till och med en överrenskommelse om Nordstream 2 med Tyskland.

Däremot har Biden pratat på att dom kan stoppa Nordstream 2, vilket inte behövs i och med att Tyskland gjorde det.

Ryssland har allt att vinna i avseende på sin agenda att sabotera så mycket det går mot väst.
Tror du verkligen alla natoländer liksom länder runt östersjön skulle gå med på att Usa förstör Nordstream? Som nu utgör en risk för sjöfarten. Eller menar du att dom har seglat in en ubåt helt osynligt in i östersjön?

Förstår du inte det orimliga i vad du påstår?

Gissa på du men det är stor skillnad på signalspaning och att aktivt sabotera en gasledning.

Det sannolikaste jag läst, hittat på Reddit:

Russia is building extensive pipelines east, primarily to China. With sanctions, they are likely having trouble securing parts. In order to keep a pipeline pressurized, even when not in use, you need to run the turbines at the compression stations. These turbines are what Russia has been bitching about for the past few months, and why they say they had to reduce capacity in the pipeline.

Anyways, if they wanted to take these turbines (and possibly other parts) and put them to use on pipelines going to China, they'd inevitably have to reduce the pressure. So making it seem like there was an accident (or sabotage) will allow them to begin stripping down the pipeline. It's very likely, in my mind, that they've already taken most of the Nord Stream 1 turbines. The turbine (from Canada that was transferred to Germany) that Russia wanted was for a compression station that had (iirc) 4-6 turbines that could operate at once, and something like 4-6 spares. Russia was claiming they only had 1 working one, and that's why they cut the amount of gas they were putting through it.

Germany offered up the turbine, but Russia refused to take it, without a document that clearly lifted sanctions on oil & gas parts and maintenance. This is likely because they either wanted to opportunity to buy a bunch of parts for their eastern pipelines, and wanted a sanction relief that would prevent Germany/EU from picking and choosing, or that they had no interest in actually fixing the compression station, but wanted to delay things.

Siemens (which makes the turbines) also offered (with Germany's consent) to go and do maintenance on any turbines and pipeline stuff. Russia refused.

So I think Russia may be pivoting away from providing gas to the EU, permanently. But they wanted to obfuscate that so the EU wouldn't go all in on replacing Russian gas, or start doing more to help Ukraine.

Är väl isåfall troligare Ukraina som kan misstänkas ligga bakom så inte Tyskland, Frankrike & Italien ska kunna vackla i sin övertygelse att sanktionerna mot Ryssland måste vidmakthållas.
Är ledningen trasig blir det ingen gas.

Då har ceo för gazprom bekräftat att ledningen kommer vara avstängd på obestämd tid. Förlorarna blir EU. Men vafan. Vi har ju iallafall greta thunberg

Det sannolikaste jag läst, hittat på Reddit:

Russia is building extensive pipelines east, primarily to China. With sanctions, they are likely having trouble securing parts. In order to keep a pipeline pressurized, even when not in use, you need to run the turbines at the compression stations. These turbines are what Russia has been bitching about for the past few months, and why they say they had to reduce capacity in the pipeline.

Anyways, if they wanted to take these turbines (and possibly other parts) and put them to use on pipelines going to China, they'd inevitably have to reduce the pressure. So making it seem like there was an accident (or sabotage) will allow them to begin stripping down the pipeline. It's very likely, in my mind, that they've already taken most of the Nord Stream 1 turbines. The turbine (from Canada that was transferred to Germany) that Russia wanted was for a compression station that had (iirc) 4-6 turbines that could operate at once, and something like 4-6 spares. Russia was claiming they only had 1 working one, and that's why they cut the amount of gas they were putting through it.

Germany offered up the turbine, but Russia refused to take it, without a document that clearly lifted sanctions on oil & gas parts and maintenance. This is likely because they either wanted to opportunity to buy a bunch of parts for their eastern pipelines, and wanted a sanction relief that would prevent Germany/EU from picking and choosing, or that they had no interest in actually fixing the compression station, but wanted to delay things.

Siemens (which makes the turbines) also offered (with Germany's consent) to go and do maintenance on any turbines and pipeline stuff. Russia refused.

So I think Russia may be pivoting away from providing gas to the EU, permanently. But they wanted to obfuscate that so the EU wouldn't go all in on replacing Russian gas, or start doing more to help Ukraine.

Krzysztof Sobolewski och Jarosław Kaczyński

https://www.europaportalen.se/2022/08/polen-ryter-till-ge-oss-eu-pengarna-annars

Den teorin stödjer jag. Varför skulle ryssarna själva sabba sin ledning? Ifall de inte vill sälja sin gas så kan de ju bara hitta på en ursäkt som vanligt. Nä, detta låter mer som en riktad attack från de som inte vill att EU skall vackla/vika ned sig inför Ryssland. Finns det inget val så blir det lättare att ta ställning helt enkelt.

Det sannolikaste jag läst, hittat på Reddit:

Russia is building extensive pipelines east, primarily to China. With sanctions, they are likely having trouble securing parts. In order to keep a pipeline pressurized, even when not in use, you need to run the turbines at the compression stations. These turbines are what Russia has been bitching about for the past few months, and why they say they had to reduce capacity in the pipeline.

Anyways, if they wanted to take these turbines (and possibly other parts) and put them to use on pipelines going to China, they'd inevitably have to reduce the pressure. So making it seem like there was an accident (or sabotage) will allow them to begin stripping down the pipeline. It's very likely, in my mind, that they've already taken most of the Nord Stream 1 turbines. The turbine (from Canada that was transferred to Germany) that Russia wanted was for a compression station that had (iirc) 4-6 turbines that could operate at once, and something like 4-6 spares. Russia was claiming they only had 1 working one, and that's why they cut the amount of gas they were putting through it.

Germany offered up the turbine, but Russia refused to take it, without a document that clearly lifted sanctions on oil & gas parts and maintenance. This is likely because they either wanted to opportunity to buy a bunch of parts for their eastern pipelines, and wanted a sanction relief that would prevent Germany/EU from picking and choosing, or that they had no interest in actually fixing the compression station, but wanted to delay things.

Siemens (which makes the turbines) also offered (with Germany's consent) to go and do maintenance on any turbines and pipeline stuff. Russia refused.

So I think Russia may be pivoting away from providing gas to the EU, permanently. But they wanted to obfuscate that so the EU wouldn't go all in on replacing Russian gas, or start doing more to help Ukraine.