2020-04-20, 23:02
  #247537
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Norge kan göra som dom gjorde vid en tidigare pandemi. Pesten på 1700-talet.
https://allmogens.se/fem-pandemier/

I Norge tog man smittspridningen i Sverige på allvar, och utfärdade ett kungligt dekret med order om att skjuta varje svensk som försökte komma över gränsen. Man ville hindra att pesten kom in i Norge till varje pris. Liket skulle då begravas “dybt i jorden paa samme Sted” genom att välta ner det i graven med långa stänger för att själva undvika smitta.

Länken beskriver pandemier som vida överträffar dagens. Vad gäller effekter, farlighet, offer.

Vem fan vill till Norge? 😃
Den ständige tvåan.
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2020-04-20, 23:02
  #247538
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På vilket sätt är en nedstängning inte sadistisk?
Alarmisterna ser det nog snarare som en masochistisk övning, de gillar att lida, de vill bli dominerade, de längtar efter en fast hand som låser in dem. Därför är det helt omöjligt för dem att förstå de negativa konsekvenserna av det och att det kan göra mer skada än nytta sammantaget.
Det gör ont så det måste ju vara bra.
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2020-04-20, 23:03
  #247539
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Blodgivare blir man frivilligt. Sen har testerna gjorts bakom kulisserna på insamlat blod?
Lämnar man blod gör man väl det när man blir kallad, förutsatt att man uppfyller friskhetskraven.
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2020-04-20, 23:04
  #247540
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Ursprungligen postat av Troian
Blod ges väl mest i blodbussar, inte längst in i korridoren på infektionskliniken. Men om man blir smittad då man lämnar blod så syns det ju inte på det blod man lämnar just då. Knappast heller vid tidigare blodgivning då man väl bara ger 4-6 gånger per år?

Jag har då alltid sett blodgivare som lite präktiga, och gör sitt för att hjälpa till. Men äh, vet inte

Måste säga att jag har aldrig sett en blodbuss. Bara läst något om att det finns. Sett namnet.
De jag vet som ger blod gör det i sjukhus, vårdcentral möjligen. Någon av de inrättningarna. Inte i någon buss.
Fast det kanske är olika beroende på del av landet.
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2020-04-20, 23:04
  #247541
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Hade en diskussion med en arbetskamrat vars man äger en större krog, hon påstår att det är okej att ha över 50 gäster så länge dom kan ha borden långt ifrån varandra och att 50 personer restriktionen mest gäller kyrkor/moske och föreläsningar etc. Har hon fel?

Fel, max 50st i lokalen och goda avstånd, har du inte sett på alla rekommendationer som SVT har visat, har inte polletten gått ned?

Alltså hur kan man styra medvetna avstånd för en befolkning när krogens polare frågar vad som gäller idag ?
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2020-04-20, 23:04
  #247542
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Ja, det var alltså det sistnämnda jag funderade på. För hur ser du till att ingen kan bli testad för viruset genom att vara blodgivare? Du inser väl förhoppningsvis vad det gör för urvalet. Men om det verkligen var slumpmässigt utvalda prover där blodgivaren inte visste något så är det bra så.

Dock är det ju ett extremt litet urval, men det pekar åtminstone åt rätt håll, och inte åt WHOs 2-3%.
Men vi lär bli varse inom kort när fler studier görs.

Jag skall som sagt ta ett test imorgon, men tror inte för fem öre att jag haft det. Det enda symptom jag kan komma på i efterhand är totalt tappad smak och lukt för 6 veckor sedan, men bor inte i Stockholm, så ser det som högst osannolikt att jag haft skiten.
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2020-04-20, 23:04
  #247543
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Du kan väl skicka några handhjärtan till de som arbetar med döda som inte hinner med eller är det bara en vanlig influensa med normal dödlighet?
Om du klarar av att knulla siffror på rätt sätt så är det inga 0,1%.

Lär dig räkna. Drygt 1000 av drygt 1000 000 är 0,1%.
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2020-04-20, 23:05
  #247544
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Det argumentet håller inte för de som skriker efter nedstängning tycker att det ska göras innan det finns några döda, innan det finns några smittade ens. En nollvision för viruset, även om det innebär att hela jorden sätts i husarrest på obestämd tid.

Ja om man visste att 50-100 pers om dagen SKULLE dö i trafiken(av någon konstig anledning) så hade man gjort helt rätt i att stänga ner och se vad man kan göra åt det så man kan släppa lite på trafiken sedan med nya regler etc.
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2020-04-20, 23:05
  #247545
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Hur man stänger ned samhällen är den stora 1000kr frågan, ska man tillåta nya smitthärdar in i samhället med turism från låt oss säga Italien där de har lockdown.

För just nu så fungerar det inte så bra med dagens regler, även om vissa tycker och tror att flockimmunitet is the shit.
Det stora kinesiska hoppet från svält till coronavirus och vice versa står väl till att Bill Gates ska runka fram sitt vaccin, så att endast ID2020-människor får tillträde.
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2020-04-20, 23:06
  #247546
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Coronavirus’s ability to mutate has been vastly underestimated, and mutations affect deadliness of strains, Chinese study finds

The most aggressive strains of Sars-CoV-2 could generate 270 times as much viral load as the least potent type
New York may have a deadlier strain imported from Europe, compared to less deadly viruses elsewhere in the United States

A team led by Professor Li Lanjuan has studied how the novel coronavirus mutates and possible implications for the pandemic. Photo: EPA-EFEA team led by Professor Li Lanjuan has studied how the novel coronavirus mutates and possible implications for the pandemic. Photo: EPA-EFE
A team led by Professor Li Lanjuan has studied how the novel coronavirus mutates and possible implications for the pandemic. Photo: EPA-EFE
A new study by one of China’s top scientists has found the ability of the new coronavirus to mutate has been vastly underestimated and different strains may account for different impacts of the disease in various parts of the world.
Professor Li Lanjuan and her colleagues from Zhejiang University found within a small pool of patients many mutations not previously reported. These mutations included changes so rare that scientists had never considered they might occur.
They also confirmed for the first time with laboratory evidence that certain mutations could create strains deadlier than others.
“Sars-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity,” Li and her collaborators wrote in a non-peer reviewed paper released on preprint service medRxiv.org on Sunday.
Li’s study provided the first hard evidence that mutation could affect how severely the virus caused disease or damage in its host.

Li took an unusual approach to investigate the virus mutation. She analysed the viral strains isolated from 11 randomly chosen Covid-19 patients from Hangzhou in the eastern province of Zhejiang, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells.
The deadliest mutations in the Zhejiang patients had also been found in most patients across Europe, while the milder strains were the predominant varieties found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, according to their paper.

A separate study had found that New York strains had been imported from Europe. The death rate in New York was similar to that in many European countries, if not worse.
But the weaker mutation did not mean a lower risk for everybody, according to Li’s study. In Zhejiang, two patients in their 30s and 50s who contracted the weaker strain became severely ill. Although both survived in the end, the elder patient needed treatment in an intensive care unit.

This finding could shed light on differences in regional mortality. The pandemic’s infection and death rates vary from one country to another, and many explanations have been proposed.
Genetic scientists had noticed that the dominant strains in different geographic regions were inherently different. Some researchers suspected the varying mortality rates could, in part, be caused by mutations but they had no direct proof.
The issue was further complicated because survival rates depended on many factors, such as age, underlying health conditions or even blood type.
In hospitals, Covid-19 has been treated as one disease and patients have received the same treatment regardless of the strain they have. Li and her colleagues suggested that defining mutations in a region might determine actions to fight the virus.
“Drug and vaccine development, while urgent, need to take the impact of these accumulating mutations … into account to avoid potential pitfalls,” they said.

Li was the first scientist to propose the Wuhan lockdown, according to state media reports. The government followed her advice and in late January, the city of more than 11 million residents was shut down overnight.
The sample size in this most recent study was remarkably small. Other studies tracking the virus mutation usually involved hundreds, or even thousands, of strains.
Li’s team detected more than 30 mutations. Among them 19 mutations – or about 60 per cent – were new.
They found some of these mutations could lead to functional changes in the virus’ spike protein, a unique structure over the viral envelope enabling the coronavirus to bind with human cells. Computer simulation predicted that these mutations would increase its infectivity.
To verify the theory, Li and colleagues infected cells with strains carrying different mutations. The most aggressive strains could generate 270 times as much viral load as the weakest type. These strains also killed the cells the fastest.
It was an unexpected result from fewer than a dozen patients, “indicating that the true diversity of the viral strains is still largely underappreciated,” Li wrote in the paper.

The mutations were genes different from the earliest strain isolated in Wuhan, where the virus was first detected in late December last year.
The coronavirus changes at an average speed of about one mutation per month. By Monday, more than 10,000 strains had been sequenced by scientists around the globe, containing more than 4,300 mutations, according to the China National Centre for Bioinformation.
Most of these samples, though, were sequenced by a standard approach that could generate a result quickly. The genes were read just once, for instance, and there was room for mistakes.
Li’s team used a more sophisticated method known as ultra-deep sequencing. Each building block of the virus genome was read more than 100 times, allowing the researchers to see changes that could have been overlooked by the conventional approach.

The researchers also found three consecutive changes – known as tri-nucleotide mutations – in a 60-year-old patient, which was a rare event. Usually the genes mutated at one site at a time. This patient spent more than 50 days in hospital, much longer than other Covid-19 patients, and even his faeces were infectious with living viral strains.
“Investigating the functional impact of this tri-nucleotide mutation would be highly interesting,” Li and colleagues said in the paper.
Professor Zhang Xuegong, head of the bioinformatics division at the National Laboratory for Information Science and Technology at Tsinghua University, said ultra-deep sequencing could be an effective strategy to track the virus’ mutation.
“It can produce some useful information,” he said.
But this approach could be much more time consuming and costly. It was unlikely to be applied to all samples.
“Our understanding of the virus remains quite shallow,” Zhang said. Questions such as where the virus came from, why it could kill some healthy young people while generating no detectable symptoms in many others still left scientists scratching their heads.
“If there is a discovery that overturns the prevailing perception, don’t be surprised.”

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Mutations ‘can affect deadliness of virus’

Kina vill alltså rikta om Trumps ilska mot Europa och inte Kina.
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2020-04-20, 23:06
  #247547
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Coronavirus can survive long exposure to high temperature, a threat to lab staff around world: paper

French scientists had to bring the temperature to almost boiling point to kill virus
Results have implications for the safety of lab technicians working with the virus

The 60-degrees Celsius, hour-long protocol has been adapted in many testing labs to suppress a wide range of deadly viruses, including Ebola.
For the new coronavirus, this temperature may be enough for samples with low viral loads because it could kill a large proportion of the strains. But it may be dangerous for samples with extremely high amounts of the virus, according to the researchers.

There was hope that the pandemic in the northern hemisphere would ease as temperatures rose with the change of seasons. Some studies suggested that tropical countries reported fewer confirmed cases.
These observations were nonetheless hampered by other factors at play, such as the strength of government mitigation efforts and testing capabilities. Some recent research detected an alarming signal that the Covid-19 could continue to spread through summer.

“The transmissibility of Sars-CoV-2 showed no signs of weakening in warm and humid conditions,” the peer-reviewed paper said.
Källa: scmp.com
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2020-04-20, 23:07
  #247548
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Lämnar man blod gör man väl det när man blir kallad, förutsatt att man uppfyller friskhetskraven.
Och hur blir du blodgivare från första början? Tvingad till det?
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