2013-12-09, 22:10
  #53341
Medlem
Dan K.. Jag kan inte sätta fingret på vad det är men jag får en så oerhört otrevlig känsla i kroppen när jag tänker på den mannen. På något sätt så skriker det verkligen "Inblandning av hösta graden" om honom..
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2013-12-09, 22:47
  #53342
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ieshos avatar
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3 år gamla uppgifter borde väl knappast ses som tillförlitliga.

Ett scenario som f.ö inte kan uteslutas, dock bara spekulation, är att LP kände mannen vid Grand och misstänker att han är inblandad i MOP men vill inte avslöja det då hon är rädd för sin egen/familjens skulle eller befarar komplikationer för partiet/landet
Men då skulle väl hon inte ha nämnt "mannen i beige" rimligen?
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2013-12-09, 22:51
  #53343
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Dan K.. Jag kan inte sätta fingret på vad det är men jag får en så oerhört otrevlig känsla i kroppen när jag tänker på den mannen. På något sätt så skriker det verkligen "Inblandning av hösta graden" om honom..
Kan du beskriva lite närmare? Jag uppfattar dem mera som ganska vanliga människor som blev indragna i en masspsykos.
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2013-12-09, 23:19
  #53344
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[quote=bartram|46512490]
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Förhör med LP 26 januari 1989:
I ett tidigt skede såg Lisbeth Palme också en man som var klädd i beige jacka. Jackan var ljus, troligtvis av mockaskinn. Den mannen befann sig betydligt längre norrut på Sveavägen än den första mannen som hon hade iakttagit. Mannen med beigefärgade jackan verkade avvisande till att hjälpa henne.
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3 år gamla uppgifter borde väl knappast ses som tillförlitliga.

Ett scenario som f.ö inte kan uteslutas, dock bara spekulation, är att LP kände mannen vid Grand och misstänker att han är inblandad i MOP men vill inte avslöja det då hon är rädd för sin egen/familjens skulle eller befarar komplikationer för partiet/landet

Det finns skillnader i detaljerna men det är klart att den beige är identisk med en av de män hon informerar Åke Rimborn om på mordnatten.
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2013-12-10, 13:10
  #53345
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hehehos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av kejsarinnakanel
Wow, det är verkligen imponerande, om nu inte hela filmen är en konspiration för att få oss att tro att reklam fungerar så här!


Det finns mycket minnes och vittnes forsking som tyder på att de är så här illa eller mycket värre.
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2013-12-10, 13:13
  #53346
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hehehos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av bartram
"[i][i]At the same time, Palme provided the trigger for the new operation, his own assassination, by stopping, as he should have since he was mediating an end of the Iran-Iraq war for the UN, an illegal shipment of 80 HAWK missiles through Sweden from Israel to Teheran on November 17, 1985 – what required Reagan to act illegally to justify, and risked his impeachment if discovered".


"To punish Moscow when the assassination occurred, Navy Secretary Lehman sent a massive wave of attack submarines towards the Barents Sea to degrade the Soviet “boomers” so devastatingly by the surprise that the Soviets would be forced to capitulate. (For details of the movement, see Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew, Blind Man’s Bluff, esp. pp. 426-7.) This would be the ideal solution to the conflict as it would not cause a nuclear exchange, resulting in massive losses of innocent life and useful property. As soon as attack submarines had done the essential kills, NATO’s Anchor Express Exercise, backed up by the American Atlantic Fleet’s Operation Eagle, would sweep across Finnmark in northern Norway to destroy whatever Soviet resistance was left on the Kola Peninsula.

Fortunately, the plans to blame the assassination on the Soviets failed miserably, thanks to the spying for Moscow by the Agency’s Aldrich ‘Rick’ Ames, the Bureau’s Robert Hanssen, and others.There would be no flight by Bergling, no calls to the KGB residency on the fatal night, and all the double agents in USSR completely under control because Moscow was on full alert for any surprise. If it had not been, and the shooting had started, the West would have been reduced to nuclear rubble because the Soviets had 82, nuclear-armed SS-23 missiles in East Germany and the USSR, unknown to Western intelligence, and ready to go under the command of its biggest hawk, Marshal Nikolai Ogarkov."

"During the countdown to the assassination in Stockholm, it seems, US and British representatives to NATO’s Special Operations Planning Staff (SOPS) had persuaded other members during its deliberations that the arms consortium YGGDRASIL was in the process of arranging its own assassination, so there were all kinds of lookouts, decoys, and the like running around the Swedish capital during Palme’s last days while a KMS reassessment team, including Hayward apparently, and using walkie-talkies, checked on the performance of his bodyguards. This new group of decoys, largely consisting of Nazis and police officers, was just to provide more confusion and suspects when the murder occurred. It had largely been organized by Viktor Gunnarsson, thanks to the prodding by leading Contra Felipe Vidal aka Charles Morgan after he had failed to recruit mercenaries either in Sweden or England to do the job".

Några axplock från artikeln. Ännu en informationssvindlare? Att Viktor Gunnarsson skulle ha ordnat med "decoys" är väl skrattretande. Han var väl snarare en syndabock själv

T.F. kan mycket väl vara disinfo. ... eller knäpp och kan i det fallet snappat upp något, han har iaf bakgrund inom "army intelligence" och umgås med en massa andra från amerikansk "intelligence communitiy" och när han var i sverige umgicks han med en och annan som man får kalla disinfo-folk.
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2013-12-10, 13:52
  #53347
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hehehos avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av CivicDuty
Att människor aldrig lär sig att lägga ned dessa konspirationsteorier när 99% av Sveriges & världens befolkning vet precis vad som hände denna karl. Självklart så syftar jag inte på att Christer är boven i dramat. Inse att karln trampade fel personer på tårna och sedermera fick ta konsekvenser för sina handlingar. Life goes on!

Den finns en undersökning (iof ovetenskaplig nätenkät) från GöteborgsPosten som visar att en majoritet av svenska folket tror på "polisspåret".
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2013-12-10, 14:49
  #53348
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Den finns en undersökning (iof ovetenskaplig nätenkät) från GöteborgsPosten som visar att en majoritet av svenska folket tror på "polisspåret".


Innebär "polisspåret" att man tror att en polis sköt Palme, eller att poliser i något avseende var inblandade i MOP ?
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2013-12-10, 15:37
  #53349
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Innebär "polisspåret" att man tror att en polis sköt Palme, eller att poliser i något avseende var inblandade i MOP ?

Kommer inte ihåg men vill minnas att länken finns i länktråden.
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2013-12-10, 17:44
  #53350
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hehehos avatar
Ferm och Petterson debatterar via London Book Review (1989):

One Winter’s Night
Gunnar Pettersson
Death of a Statesman: The Solution to the Murder of Olof Palme by Ruth Freeman
Hale, 205 pp, £12.95, March 1989, ISBN 0 7090 3698 1
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Facts are hard to come by in the Olof Palme case. On the corner of Sveavägen-Tunnelgatan in central Stockholm, at 21 minutes past 11 p.m. on 28 February 1986, the Swedish Prime Minister was shot dead with a Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum. Despite the number of eye-witnesses, 23 in all, no more is known about the murderer than that he was dressed in dark clothes and escaped by the Tunnelgatan alleyway.

More than three years later everything else remains circumstance, hypothesis and conspiracy theory. Two Ministers of Justice as well as a number of public prosecutors and police investigators have resigned in the wake of the affair. The official investigation has been investigated by investigators who were themselves subsequently investigated. The Constitutional Committee of the Swedish Parliament is on permanent stand-by to look into allegations of every brand of official misconduct, from the unlawful bugging of senior politicians to the passing of classified information to unauthorised people in return for sexual favours. Meanwhile the Bofors arms-smuggling affair keeps unravelling; hostile submarines patrol the Swedish coastline seemingly at will and always manage to clear out in the nick of time; a convicted spy escapes to the Soviet Union while on weekend leave from prison, under cover of a new name approved by the Swedish Government.

In view of the general panic which seems to have gripped Swedish political life since the assassination, it would be unfair to heap all the blame for failing to catch the murderer on the official police investigation alone. Undoubtedly it has been hampered by endless internal squabbles, as well as by incompetence on such a scale as to seem intentional at times: but the fact remains that from the moment the killer disappeared into the wintry darkness the Palme case became extraordinarily complex. Practically everything that is known is open to interpretation – particularly as regards the motive, since so many individuals and groups can be said to have had one. The ‘Mad Swede’ hypothesis sees the murderer as a disgruntled loner who bears a grudge against society general and against Olof Palme in particular.

During his lifetime Palme was not only the generally admired statesman and humanitarian but also the target for a visceral right-wing hatred – due in part to his personal appearance, urbanity and arrogance, in part to a perceived discrepancy between his upper-class background and his radical politics (cf. Tony Benn), and in part to persistent accusations and rumours that he was soft on the Russians, if not a KGB mole. But, critics have asked, would a lone madman susceptible to violent anti-Palme feelings carry out the murder with such apparent coolness and efficiency, much less refrain from boasting about it and eventually giving himself away? Whatever the answer, it has to remain qualified for the time being. After four months in custody, a 42-year-old derelict and petty criminal is finally – and, for some, surprisingly – to be charged with the murder. The trial is due to start in May, but serious doubts remain as to whether the evidence thus far mobilised against him – all of it circumstantial – is strong enough to secure a conviction. If the last three years have proved anything at all, it is that hope triumphs over experience with depressing consistency.


Vol. 11 No. 12 · 22 June 1989

From Anders Ferm
In the May 18 issue of the London Review of Books I find an article by Mr Gunnar Pettersson on Ruth Freeman’s Death of a Statesman. I have not read Mrs Freeman’s book but apparently she claims to have discovered the solution to the murder of Olof Palme. Mr Pettersson states that if Olof Palme was murdered on behalf of a foreign power the solution must be found in the Middle East: ‘Palme’s role as UN peace negotiator in the Gulf War, together with recent evidence of his having acted simultaneously and covertly on behalf of Swedish arms exporters, presents a likely political backdrop to his assassination.’ ‘Simultaneously’ and ‘covertly’ and ‘recent evidence’! The fact is that no ‘evidence’ whatsoever has ever been presented to substantiate gossip and allegations on the subject that pass from one speculative book or article to another.

Mr Palme, as UN mediator, visited both Baghdad and Tehran on several occasions between 1980 and 1982. During his meetings with officials in these capitals he was never alone with his interlocutors for one moment. He was surrounded by staff from the UN Secretariat in New York who took notes from the discussions. If these notes could be published it would become obvious that he did not discuss bilateral questions involving Sweden. He only discussed issues related to the ongoing war. In particular, arms sales were not mentioned.

I knew Olof Palme for more than twenty years and worked closely with him as speechwriter and adviser, as secretary of the Palme Commission, as UN Ambassador. Whatever you can say about him, he was not an arms trader and certainly not someone who engaged in covert arms dealings. It is surely time that the burden of proof be put on the accusers rather than on a man who is dead and cannot defend himself.

Anders Ferm
Swedish Ambassador, Copenhagen

Vol. 11 No. 14 · 27 July 1989

From Gunnar Pettersson
In his letter (Letters, 22 June) about my recent review of a book on the Olof Palme murder, Anders Ferm reveals an inattentiveness to detail which is surprising in an experienced diplomat. First, I did not say that if Palme was murdered on behalf of a foreign power, the solution ‘must’ be found in the Middle East. I said – with deliberate caution – that ‘it would seem at least possible,’ and I further qualified my caution with certain reservations about such a likelihood. Then, Ambassador Ferm claims that there is ‘no evidence whatsoever’ for my assertion that Olof Palme ‘acted simultaneously and covertly on behalf of Swedish arms exporters’. Evidence there certainly is, but again I think Mr Ferm has simply misread the sentence he quotes from. It does not say that Palme was an ‘arms trader’, nor does it imply he was engaged in illegal arms dealings, for which unlikely supposition there is indeed no evidence whatsoever. The fact that Olof Palme acted ‘covertly’ is, as Mr Ferm is no doubt aware, in the nature of such negotiations.

The best-known evidence for what I did write is contained in a report by the Constitutional Committee of the Swedish Parliament (KU 1987/88:40) dealing with the 1985-1986 Bofors bid for the supply of howitzers to India which has subsequently become the subject of a major scandal in that country. It is well documented in that report that Palme was very active indeed in his support for the bid, most importantly in his meetings with Rajiv Gandhi, the last of which was held in Delhi on January 1986. As it happens, Mr Ferm’s former colleague in the Palme Commission, John Edwards, confirmed in a recent TV documentary that Olof Palme was at that time ‘negotiating peace in the morning and selling arms in the afternoon’, as it was described. It surely cannot come as news to Mr Ferm that Olof Palme, generally speaking, had a robustly ‘hands-on’ approach to the promotion of the Swedish defence industry in the world market. Internationally, he used his considerable influence and authority on its behalf, as has been gratefully acknowledged by Martin Ardbo and several others implicated in the Bofors affair. Domestically, Palme – strongly opposed by the Foreign Trade Minister – urged the relaxation of the strict government ‘guidelines’ on arms exports to countries such as Pakistan and Indonesia, at a time when it was, to say the least, debatable whether they fulfilled the requirement of not ‘being engaged in armed conflict’ or ‘suppressing human rights’. However, the fact that he seems to have had no difficulty in reconciling the promotion of arms sales with the promotion of world peace is now only of historical interest. What is of more immediate concern is that we should have as complete and unsentimental a picture of him as possible in order to comprehend fully the circumstances surrounding his untimely death.

Gunnar Pettersson
London NW5
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2013-12-10, 18:10
  #53351
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bartrams avatar
OT men förtjänar ändå att nämnas en dag som denna: NM hyllas efter sin död av de flesta men många av dem stod inte på barrikaderna när det som mest behövdes.
En som gjorde det kanske rentav fick sitt liv släckt p g a denna kamp. Han förtjänar därför att bli hågkommen för sitt bidrag till att S A blev en demokrati.
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2013-12-10, 18:25
  #53352
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hehehos avatar
Har inte sett denna utmärkta rapport om Francovich refererad här innan, har alltid undrar hur hans tankegång gick, här ges ialla fall lite kött på benen:

http://www.pressyltaredux.com/manwalking/pdf/francovich.pdf
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