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Fast när man ser dem hantera bultsaxen så förstår man att det inte går så bra precis, de bryter och vrider på den, och sådan egg som bultsaxar har tål det inte.
De bryter sönder käftarna.
Stängslena är så svåra att forcera att det ska ta många timmar att klippa sig igenom.
På sina ställen är stängslet 6 meter högt och åtskilliga meter brett.
Med tanke på att det är så grymt varmt där så kan de inte släpa med sig så mycket vatten som behövs, minst 4-6 liter per dygn.
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Det påståendet är troligen helt fel. Ingen har kunnat räkna oceanernas innehåll av biomassa. Finns uppskattningar ja, men de kan vara fel, väldigt mycket fel. Finns ingen metod att räkna djuren i haven.Har för mig att jordens största organism, Stora Barriärrevet utanför Australien ståtar med betydligt mer i biomassa totalt sett.
Av landlevande djur så står visst termiterna i särklass.
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Jag tror det finns nån stadga nånstans för EU där det stipuleras att våra gränser inte får vara dödliga att vidröra. Vi har t ex inte minor framför och bakom våra gränser heller längre.
Tror det är enbart i krigstider man får göra gränserna dödliga. Kanske om vi kan få Marocko att förklara krig emot Spanien?
Tror det är enbart i krigstider man får göra gränserna dödliga. Kanske om vi kan få Marocko att förklara krig emot Spanien?
Felet med trampminor är att det tar flera år att gräva ner så många som behövs för att de ska bli ett heltäckande skydd. Det är dessutom väldigt arbetsamt att leta upp dem och plocka bort dem sedan.
Något som sällan görs tyvärr.
BBC skriver att 23, eventuellt så många som 37 "migranter" dog under fredagen och lördagens försök 24-25 juni, att forcera stängslet vid Melilla, och postade artikeln igår cirka kl 19 27e juni:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61956104
Uppskattningsvis hade 1500-2000 migranter försökt storma stängslet.
De fick mängder med rivsår, och man ser på bilderna att blodiga klädesplagg hänger i trasor på den sylvassa taggtråden.
Flera av dem klättrade upp på det 6 meter höga stängslet men föll ner och skadade sig så illa att de avled.
En del blev ihjältrampade.
Marockansk gränspolis försökte skingra folkmassan med tårgas och skarp ammunition men man sköt bara varningsskott påstår myndigheterna i Marocko:
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Melilla migrant deaths spark anger in Spain
By Guy Hedgecoe
BBC News, Madrid
Published 9 hours ago
The death of at least 23 sub-Saharan migrants who were attempting to cross from Morocco to the Spanish enclave of Melilla is the worst tragedy of its kind, placing southern Europe's immigration controls and its relationship with North Africa under scrutiny.
Melilla is Spanish territory, but on the North African coast some 150km (90 miles) from the Spanish mainland. It and its sister city Ceuta are the only land borders between Africa and Europe.
Between 1,500 and 2,000 migrants who had been camping in the Moroccan mountains surrounding Melilla descended on the city's border last Friday, a number of them carrying sticks, hoping to scale the border fences and therefore reach Spanish territory.
In the chaos that followed, many of them were crushed between the six-metre-high fences and Moroccan border guards, who used tear gas and batons on the migrants.
While Moroccan authorities said that 23 migrants and two police were killed, local NGOs have reported a higher migrant death toll of 37, according to Caminando Fronteras. Dozens more were injured, with many reported to be in Moroccan hospitals.
A total of 133 migrants managed to reach Melilla, where they are being housed in the city's migrant temporary stay centre while their legal status is examined.
"The Moroccan police beat us and killed our friends and I don't understand why," Amir, a young man from Sudan who reached Melilla, told elDiario.es news site.
"The Moroccans hit me a lot," said Karin, another Sudanese man. "The repression was very heavy. It's never been like that before."
Video footage recorded shortly after the incident and posted on social media by the Moroccan Association for Human Rights (AMDH) showed several dozen migrants packed together on the ground near the border, with bodies piled on top of each other and bloodstains and articles of clothing nearby. Many of the migrants appeared injured while many others showed no signs of movement.
The dead migrants were due to be buried on Monday, although the AMDH said that their bodies had not been identified or undergone an autopsy.
By Guy Hedgecoe
BBC News, Madrid
Published 9 hours ago
The death of at least 23 sub-Saharan migrants who were attempting to cross from Morocco to the Spanish enclave of Melilla is the worst tragedy of its kind, placing southern Europe's immigration controls and its relationship with North Africa under scrutiny.
Melilla is Spanish territory, but on the North African coast some 150km (90 miles) from the Spanish mainland. It and its sister city Ceuta are the only land borders between Africa and Europe.
Between 1,500 and 2,000 migrants who had been camping in the Moroccan mountains surrounding Melilla descended on the city's border last Friday, a number of them carrying sticks, hoping to scale the border fences and therefore reach Spanish territory.
In the chaos that followed, many of them were crushed between the six-metre-high fences and Moroccan border guards, who used tear gas and batons on the migrants.
While Moroccan authorities said that 23 migrants and two police were killed, local NGOs have reported a higher migrant death toll of 37, according to Caminando Fronteras. Dozens more were injured, with many reported to be in Moroccan hospitals.
A total of 133 migrants managed to reach Melilla, where they are being housed in the city's migrant temporary stay centre while their legal status is examined.
"The Moroccan police beat us and killed our friends and I don't understand why," Amir, a young man from Sudan who reached Melilla, told elDiario.es news site.
"The Moroccans hit me a lot," said Karin, another Sudanese man. "The repression was very heavy. It's never been like that before."
Video footage recorded shortly after the incident and posted on social media by the Moroccan Association for Human Rights (AMDH) showed several dozen migrants packed together on the ground near the border, with bodies piled on top of each other and bloodstains and articles of clothing nearby. Many of the migrants appeared injured while many others showed no signs of movement.
The dead migrants were due to be buried on Monday, although the AMDH said that their bodies had not been identified or undergone an autopsy.
Migranterna hade i tumultet lyckats ha ihjäl två marockanska poliser. Och det lär blir betydligt tuffare tag mot migranterna efter detta.
Twitterkonton rapporterar om att stängslet kan komma att byggas om som en typ ogenomträngliga labyrintsektioner av taggtråd, och det blir enkelt att fastna där och inte komma loss alls.
I all hast har man fått göra iordning en begravningsplats, men man vill identifiera kropparna först, ett besvärligt arbete eftersom kropparna måste tas till ett bårhus först. Troligen ska man ta tandröntgenbilder plus DNA-prover.
133 migranter lyckades ändå ta sig in i Melilla men det blir besvärligt för dem att få asyl. Ingen av dem påstås komma från någon krigförande region.
Marocko och Spanien är osams om Västsahara där det finns stora fyndigheter av fosfater, ett viktigt gödningsmedel för jordbruket överallt i världen.
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This is the worst such tragedy that Spain's two North African enclaves have seen.
The most recent comparable incident was in 2014, when 15 migrants drowned while trying to swim round the border fence to Ceuta. A judicial investigation, into Spanish civil guards who had reportedly fired rubber bullets and teargas into the water nearby, was eventually shelved.
This time, the deaths have taken place against the backdrop of a controversial shift in relations between Spain and Morocco which is believed to have influenced border controls.
In March, it emerged that the Spanish government of Socialist Pedro Sánchez had altered its stance on the longstanding dispute over Western Sahara, favouring Morocco's claims to the territory, which is slightly larger than the United Kingdom, after decades of neutrality.
Rabat, Morocco's capital, had been pressuring Madrid to make such a change to its Western Sahara policy and the arrival of over 10,000 migrants in Ceuta over a 36-hour period in May 2021, with Moroccan border guards apparently doing nothing to stop them, was seen as part of this effort.
By siding with Morocco over the disputed territory, Mr Sánchez hoped to ensure the North African country's cooperation on migration, thus preventing a repeat of last year's Ceuta incident.
However, Spain's pivot on Western Sahara has angered Algeria, which backs self-determination for the territory, and critics say it has encouraged over-zealous policing of the border by Morocco.
"Spain must think again about a policy of externalising its borders and blackmail on the part of Morocco which creates so much violence and suffering," Pablo Echenique, spokesman for the Unidas Podemos party, the junior partner in the governing coalition, wrote on Twitter.
"When the dead are blond and have blue eyes, everyone sees things more clearly."
The most recent comparable incident was in 2014, when 15 migrants drowned while trying to swim round the border fence to Ceuta. A judicial investigation, into Spanish civil guards who had reportedly fired rubber bullets and teargas into the water nearby, was eventually shelved.
This time, the deaths have taken place against the backdrop of a controversial shift in relations between Spain and Morocco which is believed to have influenced border controls.
In March, it emerged that the Spanish government of Socialist Pedro Sánchez had altered its stance on the longstanding dispute over Western Sahara, favouring Morocco's claims to the territory, which is slightly larger than the United Kingdom, after decades of neutrality.
Rabat, Morocco's capital, had been pressuring Madrid to make such a change to its Western Sahara policy and the arrival of over 10,000 migrants in Ceuta over a 36-hour period in May 2021, with Moroccan border guards apparently doing nothing to stop them, was seen as part of this effort.
By siding with Morocco over the disputed territory, Mr Sánchez hoped to ensure the North African country's cooperation on migration, thus preventing a repeat of last year's Ceuta incident.
However, Spain's pivot on Western Sahara has angered Algeria, which backs self-determination for the territory, and critics say it has encouraged over-zealous policing of the border by Morocco.
"Spain must think again about a policy of externalising its borders and blackmail on the part of Morocco which creates so much violence and suffering," Pablo Echenique, spokesman for the Unidas Podemos party, the junior partner in the governing coalition, wrote on Twitter.
"When the dead are blond and have blue eyes, everyone sees things more clearly."
Mycket märklig kommentar om blond och blåögd. Till exempel Spanien har inte så stor andel blonda och blåögda ändå. Så man måste tolka det som något helkorkat uttalande, som verkar tagit helt ur sitt sammanhang. Afrikanerna kan ju prova att sätta in blå kontaktlinser och blondera sitt hår och kolla om de lättare kan komma igenom gränsstaketet då ?
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