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2006-05-07, 20:11
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Medlem
Som topic antyder vill jag gärna veta den allmäna revisionistiska åsikten om de allmänt utlärda historierna om mänskliga experiment på lägerfångar etc, dvs vart ni står i frågan. Jag vill även veta vilka argument revisionister använder som försvar/falsifieringsbevis mot de dokumenterande material som finns angående sagda företeelser. Har läst otaliga utkast om gaskammrarna och den sjuka fixeringen vid dessa (från båda sidorna omväxlande) fast inte mycket alls om dessa (påstådda?) experiment. Antar att det vanliga argumentet mot att dessa experiment ska ha inträffat är att lokalerna för detta åtagande ska ha varit vanliga sjukstugor i lägrena?
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2006-05-07, 22:43
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Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Cheexo
Som topic antyder vill jag gärna veta den allmäna revisionistiska åsikten om de allmänt utlärda historierna om mänskliga experiment på lägerfångar etc, dvs vart ni står i frågan. Jag vill även veta vilka argument revisionister använder som försvar/falsifieringsbevis mot de dokumenterande material som finns angående sagda företeelser. Har läst otaliga utkast om gaskammrarna och den sjuka fixeringen vid dessa (från båda sidorna omväxlande) fast inte mycket alls om dessa (påstådda?) experiment. Antar att det vanliga argumentet mot att dessa experiment ska ha inträffat är att lokalerna för detta åtagande ska ha varit vanliga sjukstugor i lägrena?

Jag kan inte tala för någon allmän revisionistisk åsikt (om det nu finns en sådan), men jag kan ge dig min.

Auschwitz hade ett relativt stort sjukhus, men så var ju också lägret som en mindre stad populationsmässigt så det behövdes säkert. Anne Frank är nog den största "kändisen" som låg intagen på Auschwitz sjukhus som alla känner till. Vi vet också att det även fanns tillgång till tandläkare och tandsköterskor för de intagna. Man hade också en kvinnoklinik, där det förlöstes ca 3 000 barn under krigsåren. På sjukhuset tog man bl a in specialistläkare från det berömda "Berlin "Charité" Surgical Clinic" för avancerade operationer.

För mig är det fullständigt orimligt att tänka sig att man i ett förintelseläger har tillgång till dessa anrättningar. Det går helt enkelt inte ihop.

När det gäller de medicinska experimenten så tror jag att eftersom det inte har funnits någon "motvikt" eller det minsta uns av kritik så har historierna fått växa okontrollerat. Tänk själv, att under 50 år kunna påstå vad som helst och ingen har haft möjlighet att kontrollera eller ifrågasätta vad som är sant. Bara det faktumet bäddar ju för överdrifter. Jag håller det dock öppet att det kan ha förekommit experiment, att vissa historier kan ha en "kärna av sanning".

Eva Moses Kor anser sig ha fått cancer som har smittat henne via Dr. Mengeles kanyler. Dock bröt inte sjukdomen ut förrän 48 år senare. Den historien tror jag är en fullständig myt, och jag tror att Eva Moses Kor är en bedragare som utnyttjar det faktum att hon satt i Auschwitz för egna syften.

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"Eva Moses Kor had compelling reasons to do extend the forgiveness. She was trying to get ex-SS men or anybody else with knowledge of what she and other twins were injected with to come forth with the information. Her sister (her twin sister also subjected to Mengele) was at the time suffering with or had died from bladder cancer. The sister's doctor said that tests detected a strange substance present in her body, but the doctor could not identify it. Moses Kor and her sister felt certain that the mystery substance was the cause of the bladder cancer and that the substance entered the sister's body via an SS syringe at Auschwitz." [Miriam Mozes died in 1993, 48 years after she had left the camp.] Another case of extravagant gullibility ! How can you believe you get a cancer 48 years after an injection ? How mad are these people ?

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/revu/TI98/TI981024.html

Så, ja, det kan ha förekommit medicinska experiment på den tyska sidan. Jag skulle också tro att det har förekommit på den amerikanska, och inte minst den ryska sidan. Historierevisionism behövs således för att se vad som finns kvar när man har skalat bort alla lögner.
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2006-05-07, 22:45
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Medlem
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Det vore bra om du kunde hänvisa till just de dokument och annat som bevisar experimenten som du tänkte på från början. Blir mycket enklare att ta ställning på om man ser direkt vad du menar.
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2006-05-07, 23:11
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Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Cheexo
Som topic antyder vill jag gärna veta den allmäna revisionistiska åsikten om de allmänt utlärda historierna om mänskliga experiment på lägerfångar etc, dvs vart ni står i frågan. Jag vill även veta vilka argument revisionister använder som försvar/falsifieringsbevis mot de dokumenterande material som finns angående sagda företeelser. Har läst otaliga utkast om gaskammrarna och den sjuka fixeringen vid dessa (från båda sidorna omväxlande) fast inte mycket alls om dessa (påstådda?) experiment. Antar att det vanliga argumentet mot att dessa experiment ska ha inträffat är att lokalerna för detta åtagande ska ha varit vanliga sjukstugor i lägrena?
Ja, att den så kallade "medicinska forskningen" än idag håller på med 'experiment' på homo sapiens är ju ingen hemlighet, så nog lär det ha förekommit ett och annat 'guinea pig-försök'. Men om det var så utbrett som en del troende vill hävda så hade det nog funnits betydligt fler dokument som bevisade detta. Betänk att exempelvis Auschwitz i första hand var ett arbetsläger och inte en förintelsefabrik. Tvåltillverkningen av judefett t ex har ju visat sig vara rena rama skrönan och förekom inte ens på ett experimentstadium.

Jag instämmer med bagge1 om behovet av källhänvisning för en eventuell diskussion.
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2006-05-08, 14:45
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Medlem
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Det vore bra om du kunde hänvisa till just de dokument och annat som bevisar experimenten som du tänkte på från början. Blir mycket enklare att ta ställning på om man ser direkt vad du menar.

Har ingen egen åsikt i det hela egentligen, har precis läst Shirers ryggkrossare (Rise and fall...) och däär snackas det en massa om lufttrycksexperimenten och temperaturexperimenten i Dachau. Kommer inte ihpg namnet på SS-doktorn i fråga, men det sades också att han hamnade i nån slags onåd och hamnade i koncentrationsläger själv framåt slutet (pga stulna barn ). Hursomhelst, med tanke på att den boken är ganska gammal och att igna egentliga bevis lades fram i den, kombinerat med att jag läst väldigt lite om era argument mot just detta ville jag bara ha lite input.
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2006-05-11, 00:23
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Herr Lindholms avatar
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Har ingen egen åsikt i det hela egentligen, har precis läst Shirers ryggkrossare (Rise and fall...) och däär snackas det en massa om lufttrycksexperimenten och temperaturexperimenten i Dachau. Kommer inte ihpg namnet på SS-doktorn i fråga, men det sades också att han hamnade i nån slags onåd och hamnade i koncentrationsläger själv framåt slutet (pga stulna barn ). Hursomhelst, med tanke på att den boken är ganska gammal och att igna egentliga bevis lades fram i den, kombinerat med att jag läst väldigt lite om era argument mot just detta ville jag bara ha lite input.
Sigmund Rascher:
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"I have personally seen, through the observation window of a chamber, when a prisoner inside would stand in a vacuum until his lungs ruptured. Some experiments gave men such pressure- in their heads that they would go mad and pull out their hair in an effort to relieve the pressure. They would tear their heads and faces with their fingers and nails in an attempt to maim themselves in their madness. They would beat the walls with their hands and heads and scream in an effort to relieve pressure on their eardrums. These cases of extremes of vacuums generally ended in the death of the subject. An, extreme experiment was so certain to result in death that in many instances the chamber was used for routine execution purposes rather than experiments. I have known Rascher experiments to subject a prisoner to vacuum conditions or extreme pressure conditions or combinations of both for as long as thirty minutes. The experiments were generally classified into two groups, one known as the living experiment and the other simply as the 'X' experiment, which was a way of saying execution experiment."

MVH
/Herr Lindholm
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2006-05-19, 11:58
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Medlem
Jag har läst att nazisternas forskarrön från experiment användes av obducenten (han i styckmålsfallet) hans chef (som var jude) menade på att det var oetiskt. Därför borde dessa forskningsresultat finnas bevarade kanske någon vet var. Där borde det framgå vad för slags experiment som har utförts. Och kanske också ifall om det är experiment på oskyldiga civila eller på grova brottslingar.
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2006-05-20, 20:17
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Medlem
För intresserade läsare finns Robert J Liftons The Nazi doctors:Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide online på:

http://www.mazal.org/Lifton/LiftonA0.htm

En annan intressant inblick i de medecinska experimenten är Nürnbergförhöret med Rudolf Hoesss (Auschwitzkommendanten)

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15 April 46

HOESS: At the end of the war there were still concentration camps. All the other points which are marked here on the map mean so-called labor camps attached to the armament industry situated there. The concentration camps, of which there are 13 as I have already said, were the center and the central point of some district, such as the camp at Dachau in Bavaria, or the camp of Mauthausen in Austria; and all the labor camps in that district were under the control of the concentration camp. That camp had then to supply these outside camps, that is to say, they had to supply them with workers, exchange the sick inmates and furnish clothing; the guards, too, were supplied by the concentration camp. From 1944 on, the supplying of food was almost exclusively a matter of the individual armament industries in order to give the prisoners the benefit of the wartime supplementary rations.

DR. KAUFFMANN: What became known to you about so-called medical experiments on living internees?

HOESS: Medical experiments were carried out in several camps. For instance, in Auschwitz there were experiments on sterilization carried out by Professor Klaubert and Dr. Schumann; also experiments on twins by SS medical officer Dr. Mengele.

DR. KAUFFMANN: Do you know the medical officer Dr. Rascher?

HOESS: In Dachau he was a medical officer of the Luftwaffe who carried out experiments, on internees who had been sentenced to death, about the resistance of the human body to cold and in high pressure chambers.

DR. KAUFFMANN: Can you tell whether such experiments carried out within the camp were known to a large circle?

HOESS: Such experiments, just like all other matters, were, of course, called "secret Reich matters." However, it could not be avoided that the experiments became known since they were carried out in a large camp and must have been seen in some way by the inmates. I cannot say, however, to what extent the outside world learned about these experiments.

DR. KAUFFMANN: You explained to me that orders for executions were received in the camp at Auschwitz, and you told me that until the outbreak of war such orders were few, but that later on they became more numerous. Is that correct?

HOESS: Yes. There were hardly any executions until the beginning of the war-only in particularly serious cases. I remember one case in Buchenwald where an SS man had been attacked and beaten to death by internees, and the internees were later hanged.

DR. KAUFFMANN: But during the war -- and that you will admit -- the number of executions increased, and not inconsiderably.

Källa: IMT förhör 15 Apr 1946. Och återfinns i vol. 11 av IMT förhören på sidorna 396-422.
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2006-05-20, 20:26
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Medlem
Herr Lindholms avatar
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Ursprungligen postat av Oscar111
Jag har läst att nazisternas forskarrön från experiment användes av obducenten (han i styckmålsfallet) hans chef (som var jude) menade på att det var oetiskt. Därför borde dessa forskningsresultat finnas bevarade kanske någon vet var. Där borde det framgå vad för slags experiment som har utförts. Och kanske också ifall om det är experiment på oskyldiga civila eller på grova brottslingar.
Var läste du det? Med tanke på att ryktena kring rättsläkaren (den som utför obduktioner) och allmännläkaren har fått egna liv så skulle jag ta de uppgifterna med en nypa salt.

NASA skall vidare ha använt sig av uppgifter från Raschers höghöjdssimuleringar. Men det gör inte NASA till en ondskefull organisation. Och dessutom så måste uppgifter dubbelkollas (med apor och grisar då.)

MVH
/Herr Lindholm
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2006-05-20, 20:27
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Medlem
Här kommer en del av de domar som utfärdades baserat på medecinska experiment.

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"(A) High-Altitude Experiments. From about March 1942 to about August 1942 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Air Force, to investigate the limits of human endurance and existence at extremely high altitudes. The experiments were carried out in a low-pressure chamber in which the atmospheric conditions and pressures prevailing at high altitude (up to 68000 feet) could be duplicated. The experimental subjects were placed in the low-pressure chamber and thereafter the simulated altitude therein was raised. Many victims died as a result of these experiments and others suffered grave injury, torture, and ill-treatment. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Ruff, Romberg, Becker-Freyseng, and Weltz are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(B) Freezing Experiments. From about August 1942 to about May 1943 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp, primarily for the benefit of the German Air Force, to investigate the most effective means of treating persons who had been severely chilled or frozen. In one series of experiments the subjects were forced to remain in a tank of ice water for periods up to 3 hours. Extreme rigor developed in a short time. Numerous victims died in the course of these experiments. After the survivors were severely chilled, rewarming was attempted by various means. In another series of experiments, the subjects were kept naked outdoors for many hours at temperatures below freezing. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Becker-Freyseng, and Weltz are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(C) Malaria Experiments. From about February 1942 to about April 1945 experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp in order to investigate immunization for and treatment of malaria. Healthy concentration camp inmates were infected by mosquitoes or by injections of extracts of the mucous glands of mosquitoes. After having contracted malaria the subjects were treated with various drugs to test their relative efficacy. Over 1000 involuntary subjects were used in these experiments. Many of the victims died and others suffered severe pain and permanent disability. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Gebhardt, Blome, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, and Sievers are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(D) Lost (Mustard) Gas Experiments. At various times; between September 1939 and April 1945 experiments were conducted at Sachsenhausen, Natzweiler, and other concentration camps for the benefit of the German Armed Forces to investigate the most effective treatment of wounds caused by Lost gas. Lost is a poison gas which is commonly known as mustard gas. Wounds deliberately inflicted on the subjects were infected with Lost. Some of the subjects died as a result of these experiments and others suffered intense pain and injury. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Blome, Rostock, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, and Sievers are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(E) Sulfanilamide Experiments. From about July 1942 to about September 1943 experiments to investigate the effectiveness of sulfanilamide were conducted at the Ravensbrueck concentration camp for the benefit of the German Armed Forces. Wounds deliberately inflicted on the experimental subjects were infected with bacteria such as streptococcus, gas gangrene, and tetanus. Circulation of blood was interrupted by tying off blood vessels at both ends of the wound to create a condition similar to that of a battlefield wound. Infection was aggravated by forcing wood shavings and ground glass into the wounds. The infection was treated with sulfanilamide and other drugs to determine their effectiveness. Some subjects died as a result of these experiments and others suffered serious injury and intense agony. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Genzken, Gebhardt, Blome, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Becker-Freyseng, Oberheuser, and Fischer are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(F) Bone, Muscle, and Nerve Regeneration and Bone Transplantation Experiments. From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrueck concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Oberheuser, and Fischer are charged with special responsibility and participation in these crimes.

"(G) Sea-Water Experiments. From about July 1944 to about September 1944 experiments were conducted at the Dachau Concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Air Force and Navy, to study various methods of making sea water drinkable. The subjects were deprived of all food and given only chemically processed sea water. Such experiments caused great pain and suffering and resulted in serious bodily injury to the victims. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Becker-Freyseng, Schaefer, and Beiglboeck are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(H) Epidemic Jaundice Experiments. From about June 1943 to about January 1945 experiments were conducted at the Sachsenhausen and Natzweiler concentration camps, for benefit of the German Armed Forces, to investigate the causes of, and inoculations against, epidemic jaundice. Experimental subjects were deliberately infected with epidemic jaundice, some of whom died as a result, and others were caused great pain and suffering. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Rose, and Becker-Freyseng are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(I) Sterilization Experiments. From about March 1941 to about January 1945 sterilization experiments were conducted at the Auschwitz and Ravensbrueck concentration camps, and other places. The purpose of these experiments was to develop a method of sterilization which would
be suitable for sterilizing millions of people with a minimum of time and effort. These experiments were conducted by means of X-ray, surgery, and 2 various drugs. Thousands of victims were sterilized and thereby suffered great mental and physical anguish. The defendants Karl Brandt, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Brack, Pokorny, and Oberheuser are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(J) Spotted Fever (Fleckfieber) Experiments. From about December 1941 to about February 1945 experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald and Natzweiler concentration camps, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to investigate the effectiveness of spotted fever and other vaccines. At Buchenwald, numerous healthy inmates were deliberately infected with spotted fever virus in order to keep the virus alive; over 90% of the victims died as a result. Other healthy inmates were used to determine the effectiveness of different spotted fever vaccines and of various chemical substances. In the course of these experiments 75% of the selected number of inmates were vaccinated with one of the vaccines or nourished with one of the chemical substances and, after a period of 3 to 4 weeks, were infected with spotted fever germs. The remaining 25% were infected without any previous protection in order to compare the effectiveness of the vaccines and the chemical substances. As a result, hundreds of the persons experimented upon died. Experiments with yellow fever, smallpox, typhus, paratyphus A and B, cholera, and diphtheria were also conducted. Similar experiments with like results were conducted at Natzweiler concentration camp. The defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Genzken, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Rose, Becker-Freyseng, and Hoven are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

"(K) Experiments with Poison. In or about December 1943 and in or about October 1944 experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald concentration camp to investigate the effect of various poisons upon human beings. The poisons were secretly administered to experimental subjects in their food. The victims died as a result of the poison or were killed immediately in order to permit autopsies. In or about September 1944 experimental subjects were shot with poison bullets and suffered torture and death. The defendants Genzken, Gebhardt, Mrugowsky, and Poppendick are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes.

Källa: rials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No 10. Vol. 2: United States of America v. Karl Brandt (Case 1: 'Medical Case'). US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: 1949. pp. 171-297.
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2006-05-20, 21:01
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Medlem
Forts:

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"(L) Incendiary Bomb Experiments. From about November 1943 to about January 1944 experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald concentration camp to test the effect of various pharmaceutical preparations on phosphorus burns. These burns were inflicted on experimental subjects with phosphorus matter taken from incendiary bombs, and caused severe pain, suffering, and serious bodily injury. The defendants Genzken, Gebhardt, Mrugowsky, and Poppendick are charged with special responsibility for and participation in these crimes."
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2006-05-21, 12:17
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Medlem
Vidare info i domen mot Karl Brandt:

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Sulfanilamide Experiments

Certain sulfanilamide experiments were conducted at Ravensbrueck for a period of about a year prior to August 1943. These experiments were carried on by the defendants Gebhardt, Fischer, and Oberheuser -- Gebhardt being in charge of the project. At the Third Meeting of the Consulting Physicians of the Wehrmacht held at the Military Medical Academy in Berlin from 24-26 May 1943, Gebhardt and Fischer made a complete report concerning these experiments. Karl Brandt was present and heard the reports. Gebhardt testified that he made a full statement concerning what he had done, stating that experiments had been carried out on human beings. The evidence is convincing that statements were also made that the persons experimented upon were concentration camp inmates. It was stated that 75 persons had been experimented upon, that the subjects had been deliberately infected, and that different drugs had been used in treating the infections to determine their respective efficacy. It was also stated that three of the subjects died. It nowhere appears that Karl Brandt made any objection to such experiments or that he made any investigation whatever concerning the experiments reported upon, or to gain any information as to whether other human subjects would be subjected to experiments in the future. Had he made the slightest investigation he could have ascertained that such experiments were being conducted on non-German nationals, without their consent, and in flagrant disregard of their personal rights; and that such experiments were planned for the future.

In the medical field Karl Brandt held a position of the highest rank directly under Hitler. He was in a position to intervene with authority on all medical matters; indeed, it appears that such was his positive duty. It does not appear that at any time he took any steps to check medical experiments upon human subjects. During the war he visited several concentration camps. Occupying the position he did, and being a physician of ability and experience, the duty rested upon him to make some adequate investigation concerning the medical experiments which he knew had been, were being, and doubtless would continue to be conducted in the concentration camps.

Epidemic Jaundice Experiments

Karl Brandt is charged with criminal responsibility for experiments conducted for the purpose of discovering an effective vaccine to bring about immunity from epidemic jaundice. Grawitz, by letter dated 1 June 1943, wrote Himmler stating that Karl Brandt had requested his assistance in the matter of research on the causes of epidemic jaundice. Grawitz stated that Karl Brandt had interested himself in this research and desired that prisoners be placed at his disposal. The letter further stated that up to that date experiments had been made only on animals, but that it had become necessary to pursue the matter further by inoculating human beings with virus cultures. The letter stated that deaths must be anticipated, and that eight prisoners who had been condemned to death were needed for the experiments at the hospital of the concentration camp at Sachsenhausen. Under date of 16 June 1943 Himmler acknowledged the letter from Grawitz and directed that eight criminals in Auschwitz, Jews of the Polish Resistance Movement condemned to death, should be used for experiments which should be conducted by Dr. Dohmen at Sachsenhausen. Karl Brandt's knowledge of experiments on non-German nationals is clearly shown by the foregoing.

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Lost (Mustard) Gas Experiments

It is clear from the record that experiments with Lost gas were conducted on concentration camp inmates throughout the period covered by the indictment. The evidence is that over 200 concentration camp inmates, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and Germans, were used as experimental subjects. At least 50 of these subjects, most of whom were nonvolunteers, died as a direct or indirect result of the treatment received.

Karl Brandt knew of the fact that such experiments were being conducted. The evidence is to the effect that he knew of Lost gas experiments conducted by Bickenbach at Strasbourg during the fall of 1943, in which Russian prisoners were apparently used as subjects, some of whom died.

A letter written by the defendant Sievers to the defendant Rudolf Brandt, dated 11 April 1944, points to the fact that Karl Brandt knew of still other such experiments. The letter states, that in accordance with instructions he, Sievers, had contacted Karl Brandt, at Beelitz, and had reported to him concerning the activities of a certain Dr. Hirt, who the evidence shows had been experimenting with Lost gas upon concentration camp inmates at Natzweiler. In the letter, Sievers states, further, that Karl Brandt had told him that he would be in Strasbourg in 4/1944 and would then discuss details with Dr. Hirt.

Knowledge of the conduct of at least some of the experiments was confirmed by Karl Brandt when he testified in his own behalf. He stated that pursuant to competent authority he had engaged in studies concerning defense measures against poison gas. He admitted receiving a report from Hirt, and that one reading the report could reach the conclusion that human beings had been experimented upon in connection with injuries from Lost gas.

Freezing, Malaria, Bone, Muscle and Nerve Regeneration and Bone Transplantation, Sea-Water, Sterilization, and Typhus Experiments

The evidence does not show beyond a reasonable doubt that Karl Brandt is criminally responsible on account of the experiments with which he is charged under these specifications.

The defendant Karl Brandt certainly knew that medical experiments were carried out in concentration camps upon human subjects, that the experiments caused suffering, injury, and death. By letter bearing date 26 January 1943 Karl Brandt wrote to Wolff at the Fuehrer's (Hitler's) headquarters asking if it were possible to carry out "nutritional experiments" in concentration camps. The nature of the desired experiments does not appear, nor does the evidence show whether or not such experiments were ever made. The letter, however, indicates Brandt's knowledge of the fact that human subjects could be made available for experimentation.

Defendant Rudolf Brandt, by letter dated 4 September 1944 wrote Baumert, evidently a member of Himmler's staff, stating that Karl Brandt had telephoned and requested that Himmler direct that 10 prisoners from Oranienburg should be made available as of the next day for two days to test a certain drug. The letter stated that the prisoners would not be injured by the test.

It appears from an official note filed by Kliewe of the Army Medical Inspectorate, dated 23 February 1944, referring to a conversation with the defendant Blome on that date, that experiments concerning biological warfare connected with plant parasites, etc., had been made; that up to that date no experiment had been conducted in the field of human medicine; but that such experiments were necessary and were in contemplation. The memorandum continues:

Källa: Judgment, in Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No 10. Vol. 2: United States of America v. Karl Brandt, et .al. (Case 1: 'Medical Case'). US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: 1949. pp. 171-297.
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