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Ursprungligen postat av
Regulus
Vilket visar hur tramsiga dessa försök att koka soppa på en biblisk spik är.
Om det inte fanns några som helst utombibliska källor som kunde bekräfta det som står i 1 moseboken/Bibeln så skulle jag faktiskt hålla med dig... Men faktum är att namnen/stammarna som nämns där även kan hittas i flera antika monument, omnämns flitigt av romerska/grekiska historiker och kan kopplas till olika migrationsmönster.
Bland annat så nämns
Chalcol och
Dardannos i relation till
Salomo som israeliter i 1 konungaboken 4:31. Enligt bland annat
Strabo så grundade Dardannos Troja i nordvästra Anatolien:
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"And as an example of the second stage, the life in the time of Dardanus, who "founded Dardania; for not yet had sacred Ilios been builded to be a city of mortal men, but they were living on the foot-hills of many-fountained Ida." And of the third stage, the life in the plains in the time of Ilus; for he is the traditional founder of Ilium, and it was from him that the city took its name. And it is reasonable to suppose, also, that he was buried in the middle of the plain for this reason — that he was the first to dare to settle in the plains..." (Strabo, Book 13, Chapter 1)
Homeros kallade även trojanerna för "dardanner".
Strabo skrev även att
Chalcol ansågs vara en stor profet bland grekerna.
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De enda folken i den där listan som var semiter var assyrierna och hebréerna.
Enligt dagens så kallade judar och deras medlöpare, ja, men inte om man går efter Bibeln,
Josefus,
Strabo,
Diodorus Siculus,
Homeros, arkeologi, osv, osv.
Enligt den spartanske kungen
Areus I så fann han i Bibelns skrifter och olika historiska dokument att spartanerna härstammade från Abraham:
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Areus king of the Lacedemonians [Spartans] to Onias the [Israelite] high priest, greeting: It is found in writing, that the Lacedemonians and Judaeans are brethren, and that they are of the stock of Abraham: Now therefore, since this is come to our knowledge, ye shall do well to write unto us of your prosperity. We do write back again to you, that your cattle and goods are ours, and ours are yours. ”
— Authorized King James Version 1 Maccabees 12.20
Three letters in the first book of Maccabees contain the Judaean claim to kinship with the Spartans. They are reproduced in a variant form by Josephus.[2]
Källa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areus_I
Svaret på detta brev där den israelitiske översteprästen
Onias besvarar brevet och bekräftar detta finns reproducerat i både
Josefus skrifter och i Maccabeerböckerna.
Även
Diodorus Siculus skrev att de danaaneiska grekerna (som omnämns som blonda i
Pindars beskrivningar av dem) och fenicierna härstammade från israeliterna som utvandrade med
Mose i uttåget från Egypten:
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Since we are about to give an account of the war against the Jews, we consider it appropriate, before we proceed further, in the first place to relate the origin of this nation, and their customs. In ancient times a great plague occurred in Egypt, and many ascribed the cause of it to the gods, who were offended with them. For since the multitudes of strangers of different nationalities, who lived there, made use of their foreign rites in religious ceremonies and sacrifices, the ancient manner of worshipping the gods, practised by the ancestors of the Egyptians, had been quite lost and forgotten. Therefore the native inhabitants concluded that, unless all the foreigners were driven out, they would never be free from their miseries. All the foreigners were forthwith expelled, and the most valiant and noble among them, under some notable leaders, were brought to Greece and other places, as some relate; the most famous of their leaders were Danaus and Cadmus. But the majority of the people descended into a country not far from Egypt, which is now called Judaea and at that time was altogether uninhabited.
The leader of this colony was one Moses, a very wise and valiant man, who, after he had possessed himself of the country, amongst other cities, built that now most famous city, Jerusalem (Diodorus Siculus, Book 40:2-3)
Danaus:
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In Greek mythology Danaus (/ˈdæn.eɪ.əs/; Ancient Greek: Δαναός Danaos), was the twin brother of Aegyptus, a mythical king of Egypt. The myth of Danaus is a foundation legend (or re-foundation legend) of Argos, one of the foremost Mycenaean cities of the Peloponnesus. In Homer's Iliad, "Danaans" ("tribe of Danaus") and "Argives" commonly designate the Greek forces opposed to the Trojans.
Danaus had fifty daughters, the Danaides, twelve of whom were born to Polyxo and the rest to Pieria and other women, and his twin brother, Aegyptus, had fifty sons. Aegyptus commanded that his sons marry the Danaides. Danaus elected to flee instead, and to that purpose, he built a ship, the first ship that ever was.[1]
In it, he fled to Argos, to which he was connected by his descent from Io, a priestess of Hera at Argos, who was wooed by Zeus and turned into a heifer and pursued by Hera until she found asylum in Egypt.
Källa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus
Cadmus:
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In Greek mythology, Cadmus (/ˈkædməs/; Greek: Κάδμος Kadmos), was the founder and first king of Thebes.[1] Cadmus was the first Greek hero and, alongside Perseus and Bellerophon, the greatest hero and slayer of monsters before the days of Heracles.[2] Initially a Phoenician prince, son of king Agenor and queen Telephassa of Tyre and the brother of Phoenix, Cilix and Europa, he was originally sent by his royal parents to seek out and escort his sister Europa back to Tyre after she was abducted from the shores of Phoenicia by Zeus.[3] Cadmus founded the Greek city of Thebes, the acropolis of which was originally named Cadmeia in his honour.
Cadmus was credited by the ancient Greeks (such as Herodotus[4] c. 484 – c. 425 BC, one of the first Greek historians, but one who also wove standard myths and legends through his work) with introducing the original alphabet to the Greeks, who adapted it to form their Greek alphabet. Herodotus estimates that Cadmus lived sixteen hundred years before his time, which would be around 2000 BC
Källa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus
Paulus skrev även till de doriska/spartanska grekerna i korint att deras förfäder vandrade med Mose i uttåget från Egypten:
"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)
Dorerna kom från den israelitiska stammen Manasseh och invandrade från just Dor i Palestina. Det är därför man har hittat grekiska/doriska byggnader i Palestina från just den tidpunkten då Manasseh/israeliterna hade kontroll över området:
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It was a fitting climax. We had been excavating at Tel Dor—an 80-acre tell, or mound, on the Mediterranean coast of Israel—for 20 exciting years. This was to be our last season. It was near the end of the dig when we found evidence of a Greek temple—the first ever discovered in ancient Palestine or Phoenicia.
On this gorgeous site overlooking the sea, we had uncovered layers (or strata, to use the archaeological term) from at least eight civilizations spanning 3,000 years: Canaanite, Sikil (one of the Sea Peoples, Aegean tribes that migrated to ancient Israel), Phoenician, Israelite, Assyrian-Persian, Hellenistic-Greek, Roman and Crusader...
Källa:
https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-...-review/28/6/4
Judarnas förklaring är givetvis att dessa "greker" "invandrade" till Israel från norr och bosatte sig bland "judarna" där i harmoni. Problemet är bara att det var flera hundra år innan den hellenistiska kulturen ens tog fart och att även Bibeln och alla de antika historikerna är överrens om att de danaaneiska grekerna med fler var israeliter. Manasseh fick, enligt Bibeln, Dor efter kriget/utdrivningen av de kanaaneiska stammarna:
(Joshua 17:11)
"In Issachar and in Asher, Manasseh had Beth-shean and its towns and Ibleam and its towns, and the inhabitants of Dor and its towns, and the inhabitants of En-dor and its towns, and the inhabitants of Taanach and its towns, and the inhabitants of Megiddo and its towns, the third is Napheth."
Notera alltså att det här var så kallade "indoeuropéer" enligt dagens så kallade forskare, men ändå så omnämns de som "semiter" med släktskap till israeliterna enligt de antika historikerna och Bibeln (och om man går efter arkeologi).