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2018-08-13, 08:34
  #1
Medlem
Hej!

Har några vänner som varit involverade i kurser med en trader ä Stockholm (Cor. L F And...). Hon ger kurser men handlar också åt en via en avgift. Alla verkar använda Hotforex för det. Vet inte hurpass bra det egentligen går så ville researcha lite. Någon som känner till henne? Hur har det gått för er? Är det värt det? Någon som låtit henne trejda ens konto en längre tid?
Citera
2018-08-13, 11:30
  #2
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Doris95an
Hej!

Har några vänner som varit involverade i kurser med en trader ä Stockholm (Cor. L F And...). Hon ger kurser men handlar också åt en via en avgift. Alla verkar använda Hotforex för det. Vet inte hurpass bra det egentligen går så ville researcha lite. Någon som känner till henne? Hur har det gått för er? Är det värt det? Någon som låtit henne trejda ens konto en längre tid?

Så du låter henne trada och hon tar en liten avgift? Så du tjänar deg på att inte behöva göra nåt?
Citera
2018-08-15, 12:50
  #3
Medlem
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Ursprungligen postat av Cryptoking
Så du låter henne trada och hon tar en liten avgift? Så du tjänar deg på att inte behöva göra nåt?

Ja så verkar det vara. Hon tar väl en tredjedel av vinsten. Om det går bra så kanske det är värt det. Eller fuffens? Någon som låtit henne handla?
Citera
2018-08-15, 15:52
  #4
Medlem
CC75s avatar
Har ingen erfarenhet av henne eller av denna typ av arrangemang men jag skulle inte vara oäven till att låta någon hjälpa till med investeringar och betala för det. Dock, "en tredjedel av vinsten"... det var mycket saftigt. Gäller det även vid förluster? Då hade jag hellre betalat en fast års- eller månadsavgift.

// CC
Citera
2018-08-30, 09:31
  #5
Medlem
Doris 9, I'll take this in English but I guess you mean Coretta Lavern Andersson?

I know some people who have traded with her. She is not an embezzler, as Hotforex allows for an investors account, and a traders account. You keep the former, and only you can transfer money, and change passwords on all accounts. So the trader (Coretta), can only trade. Your money is in that way protected in the same way they are in traditional asset managing companies.

As you correctly point out, she takes slightly more than 30% of monthly gains as commission. That's monthly gains.

To illustrate what this could mean to you as an investor. Let's assume you invest one million.

Scenario A: She takes your 1 000 000, takes on positions, at the end she exits with 3 000 000. She takes one third in commission, you get 2 000 000 = 1 000 000 in profit (which you have to tax, if you're obedient).

Scenario B: Same as above, but at the end all the positions were losses, and you only have 20 000 left. Your loss = 980 000, her loss = 0.

Now, imagine instead scenario C: Here we have a longer time frame, you don't order her to exit and she takes on multiple trades and exits them according to the patterns above A B A B (lets call them A1 B1 A2 B2), stop, and then you stop trading with her. Thus she trades to 3 million, looses almost everything to 20 000 (and by an intended-for-us pedagogic miracle) trades up to 3 million again, and then tragically loses almost everything. How much profit do you and Coretta make?
A1 -> Coretta earns 1 million in commission (you don't withdraw so you earn nothing yet)
B1 -> nobody earns
A2 -> Coretta earns 1 million again
B2 -> Coretta loses nothing, but your loss = - 980 000
In total:
Coretta earned 2 million
You lost 980 000
Who pays commission? YOU! So you end up paying here 2 million which means that you lost 2 980 000!

Or, the pendulum swings to and fro the amount you started with: one million to 20 000 to 900 000 to 20 000 to 890 000... each time you are hoping to recover your initial sum invested, each up-turn you have to pay her commission, and in the end you may lose it all.

Hopefully you are not an idiot and you understand why such a deal is bad for you. So if you are going to trade, you have to renegotiate the terms of the contract.
Customary in hedge funds is a slight yearly commission (say 2%), and then 20-25% of all gains when you withdraw money. So not monthly, like in corettas case, nor do you pay when the trader gets back to zero after squandering parts of your money. Remember, traders and asset managers get paid to earn and protect your money, not to recap money after they themselves have lost it.

Now another point is Floating P/L. Or in other words, the amount of your capital dedicated to positions. She mentioned--and I have confirmed with others--that it should be max 10%, sometimes 15% in exceptional circumstances.
What happens? Wham! 50% or more. So almost all of your capital is in positions in the negative, that if you close, you lose. Feeling hijacked?

If you are going to let her trade, do your due diligence. Don't believe her words, but let her show the goods. Where are those that can show a five-year account with her trading it, going consistently plus, never hitting below the initial investment (for reasons explained above)? Ask her to put you in touch with these people, and ask them to show them their Hotforex accounts so that you can verify what has really gone on. It's relatively easy to be doing well for one year, just out of random chance, but it's the ability to go through financial crisis, a weird Trump election and so on, without your money taking a hit.

And her credentials... Do your due diligence. Where's her CV? Who can corroborate that she worked at this place or that? Remember, this is business and not your friend. Trust doesn't have a place here. It has to be proven, not assumed just because somebody is friendly.

And the obvious: If she is such a good trader, where are her riches? She should be enormously wealthy, no?

Think! Be critical! Sort out the dross from the gold if you are gonna invest your money. This may feel like your ticket out of poverty or unfortunate financial situation, but feeling of urgency is precisely why mediocre investors lose their money, and fall for all kinds of scams.

So go ahead if you want, Doris, but know that this is a high risk investment, and that you should get an education in investing your money overall, how you actually grow your capital in the safest way over 20-30 years. Or just go to the casino.
Citera
2018-08-30, 18:18
  #6
Medlem
CC75s avatar
Thank you Fadednumbers.

If its true that she takes monthly commission and that she gets people to invest with her, I really must congratulate her. The last idiot is not yet born.

// CC
Citera
2018-10-07, 09:59
  #7
Medlem
Hej Doris, me and my friends traded with Coretta Lavern Fraser Andersson and we all lost a lot of money! When Coretta sold us her services as a Hotforex trader she spoke only of profit and mentioned none of loss. She said that she makes an average of 7.5% as monthly profit of the original investment and said that sometimes she even makes up to 20% profit in one month. We were very inspired by her confidence and we trusted her words and capability as she seemed very confident, sure and honest. However, over the course of months and years our accounts were only making loss, until in the end everything was almost lost!
We of course thought many times about quitting trading with her and withdrawing whatever money was left before all was lost, however every time any one of us would call Coretta she would give high hopes and promised that she would be able to restore our accounts and increase the equity within few months. That never happened and the accounts continued going down until some of them was automatically closed down when all the money was lost.
We trusted Coretta very much as she appears to be an honest woman and have good intentions, however I believe it would have been more honest of her to not give us false hopes and that she should have instead advised us to withdraw all of the money at earlier stage before all was lost. She actually was even asking us to add more money to the accounts in order to improve her trading performance, which we did several times adding more money on the hope of better results. That in the end added even more to our loss.
She is not a great trader as she claims. She thinks very high of herself, and sadly enough she does not admit that she is not an experienced trader, even with after all the loss, rather she always blame the bad results on the political situation in the world, and continues to believe that her trading strategies are the best!
It was such a fool thing to trade with Coretta and I hope you don't make such a mistake as we did!
Citera
2019-01-08, 20:39
  #8
Medlem
This woman is a scam

We have also traded with her and we have lost every single penny. She has had excuses every single time we tried to close our accounts, and when we have asked why we can't, she writes us a full page email. She makes the politicians look straight forward and honest .

Is she a scam or is she just really really shit at trading? Still not sure.

Now she wants to trade our money back for us, without charging us. Because she "cares" about people. Its getting weirder and weirder.
Don't give this woman a penny!
She is a loonie

It would be great to get in contact with other people who has been in contact with her. Want to know what is going on!
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