Anders Jallai är en författare som har nämnt en teori om att delar av den svenska DC3:ans besättning hoppade med fallskärm och tillfångatogs av Sovjet. De ska ha levt i en signalspaningsstation i Ryssland och tvingats lära upp ryssarna i väldigt många år med sina kunskaper, kanske ända fram till 90-talet. Det ska ha skickats ett kryptiskt vykort från Moskva någon gång på 80-talet till Sverige, som bara kunde komma från en av flygarna. Det ska också finnas vittnen som sett fallskärmar i luften den dagen 1952. Författaren hävdar också att det fanns en nionde besättningsmedlem ombord på DC3:an, en amerikan.
Det finns ytterligare en teori, nämligen att ett amerikanskt flygplan hade skjutits ned på ett liknande sätt några år tidigare, vilket inte alls skulle ha fått samma publicitet. Även där fanns en tillfångatagen besättning som aldrig frigavs av Sovjet. När jag googlade hittade jag:
13 Apr 1950 - AMERICAN PLANE SHOT DOWN IN BALTIC AREA
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2775140
Denna händelse år 1950 kan vara, men behöver inte vara, den händelse jag åsyftar. Men mycket talar för att det är den.
Här är delar av artikeln, som är intressant:
(Allt är inte transkriberat rätt, men det mesta är fullt läsbart ändå).
-långt citat-
Särskilt två passager är intressanta:
A -United States Air Force
spokesman said he did not know
if the missing plane < and the
one alleged to have been in-
volved in an incident with Soviet
fighters was the same aircraft.
Det kan alltså röra sig om två olika plan. Ungefär som DC3:an och Catalinan.
Ryssarna dumpade tydligen senapsgas i Östersjön, visste ni det?
The area where the raft was
sighted is a so-called clumping
field where Russian ships last
summer dropped thousands of
tons of mustard gas seized from
the Germans.
Jag blir lätt illamående varje gång jag tänker på dessa historier. Flygare som överlevde nedskjutningar och fick leva hela sina liv i fångenskap och aldrig träffa sin familj igen. Men kan det verkligen vara sant, borde inte sanningen i dessa historier ha kommit fram när Sovjet föll samman?
Det finns kända nedskjutningar, typ amerikanen Gary Powers som fick komma hem igen efter några år. Om honom har det skrivits massor. Sen finns det mindre kända nedskjutningar. Man kan fråga sig varför det skrivits mindre om vissa?
Svensk eftergiftspolitik mot Sovjet tycker jag är en större skam än den s.k. eftergiftspolitiken mot Tyskland. Våra fega diplomater lät Raoul Wallenberg ruttna i Sibirien för att de inte vågade ställa till med en konflikt. Kan verkligen både svensk och amerikansk utrikespolitik ha varit lika feg gentemot Sovjet, om det fanns överlevande flygare vid bägge dessa händelser? Se bara på DC3-incidenten, den har ju Sverige försökt lägga locket på i alla år, man kan undra varför det varit så känsligt.
Det finns ytterligare en teori, nämligen att ett amerikanskt flygplan hade skjutits ned på ett liknande sätt några år tidigare, vilket inte alls skulle ha fått samma publicitet. Även där fanns en tillfångatagen besättning som aldrig frigavs av Sovjet. När jag googlade hittade jag:
13 Apr 1950 - AMERICAN PLANE SHOT DOWN IN BALTIC AREA
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2775140
Denna händelse år 1950 kan vara, men behöver inte vara, den händelse jag åsyftar. Men mycket talar för att det är den.
Här är delar av artikeln, som är intressant:
(Allt är inte transkriberat rätt, men det mesta är fullt läsbart ändå).
-långt citat-
Citat:
The mifasmg American air-
craft, for which a search had
been going on for over '.three
days, has 10 men on board. It
vanished while on a training
flight from Wiesbaden "to Copen-
hagen-only four hours before
the alleged incident. At that
time it was iiymg on a course
which, according to Wiesbaden I
report,« may have carried it into
the Libava area if it ran into dif-,1
Acuities. , >
An American air force spokes-
man' in Wiesbaden denied Danish
suggestions ' that the prolonged
search for the missing American
plane was a pretext for watch
'ing' Russian naval manoeuvres.
"We can fly over the Baltic
if we like," he said. "We don't
need excuses."
The spokesman repeated that
the missing plane was on a navi-
gational training flight and car-
ried no armament.
I Soviet Charges Against U.S.
An immediate inquiry into So-
viet chaiges ithat an «American.
military aircraft-allegedly a
Super Foi ti ess-violated Russian
tcintory on the Baltic on Easter
Saturday and had flred on a
flight of Russian planes has been
ordered by the State Department
and Service authorities.
A Soviet ' Note protesting
against the alleged violation was
handed to the; United States Am-
bassador, Allan Kirk, in Moscow
yesterday.
A Tass Newsagency report of
the alleged incident said that an
American aircraft flow over Rus
slon "territory" . near , Libava
(Latvia) on Saturday and'fired
on Soviet machines after-1 they;
had taken off to order it" down.'
Tass claimed that a Russian
fighter was forced. fto*-open^ fire
in return after "which*"the Ame-
rican plane turned towards the
sea and disappeared.'
The area where1 the alleged in-
cident occurred is said to be one
of the most closely guarded spots
in Russian-held territory.
* Swedish Press reports recent-
ly described it as a "highly ex-
plosive area" assorting that it
contained radar stations, estab-
lishments for guided missiles and
a submarine hase. '
" Swedish and Danish flying
boats1'have repeatedlv been ear>
tured in the area by Russian pat-
rol ships and taken, to "distant
Baltic poita.
i Observers in Washington said
that the Tass version that the
incident occurred in the vicinity
of Libava raised a legal question
concerning the status of Latvia.
The Soviet Union occupied Lat-
via in 1940 andv incorporated the
country into Soviet territory,
but Latvia had never been recog-
nised by the U.S. as Soviet ter-
ritory.
According to Tass the Ameri-
can plane penetra,ted -Soviet ter-
ritory to a ditsance of 13 miles.
'A ,Tass i correspondent in
Stockholm alleged early to-day
that the United, States was-Vio-
lating Denmark's: sovereignty,, ,
/'The* Americans, having occu-
pied Copenhagen's Kastrup air-
port,- have concentrated a con-
siderable military air force
there," he said. "They are vio-
lating Danish sovereignty' be-
cause these military aircraft con-
tinue, to arrive at the Danish
airfield without giving any no-
tice. Also, American bombers
are permitted to fly over Swe-
den, including -important strat-
egic regions."
I Reported Sighting Of Raft
COPENHAGEN, Wednesday. -
American aircraft took off soon
after dawn to-day to .continue
their search.
Sixteen of ! the 21 American
'planes based at Kastrup Air-
port were in the air at first light.
The Danish ¡Government, which
?had offered air force help in the
search, has so far received no
request to dei sd.
The search 'planes have been
instructed to stay at., least 20
miles away from the coast of the
Russian Baltic countries.
Air force experts believe the
ten men in ithe missing naval 1
Privateer should be able to sur-
vive for 20 days in this area on
the aircraft's life rafts. <
A life raft has been spotted
in the Baltic Sea, 40 to 50 miles
north-east of the island of Born-
holm. ¡ 4|
The United States Air' Force.,
announced that it had beert sight-
ed by one of its search planes.
The pilot ,of the plane saw
what appeared to, be a man
wearing an "exposure suit" in
the raft.
He also said there were un-
identified objects in the immedi-1
ate area. ¡
"Exposure suits" are specially
designed to protect fliers forced
to bail out into icy water.
Dutch naval cutters "are
steaming * to the scene ' and a
Danish- Navy Catalina flying
boat has also been sent.
Bornholm is about 300 miles
south-west of Latvia where the
Russians fired on an American
plane last Saturday.
The Danish Navy announced
that if there are any survivors
the Catalina will' land in the
Baltic to pick them up.
A -United States Air Force
spokesman said he did not know
if the missing plane < and the
one alleged to have been in-
volved in an incident with Soviet
fighters was the same aircraft.
The area where the raft was
sighted is a so-called clumping
field where Russian ships last
summer dropped thousands of
tons of mustard gas seized from
the Germans.
" Later, Danish naval authori-
ties at Copenhagen received a
report that the Danish Catalina
had seen a buoy placed where
the Russians dumped the mus-
tard gas.
The report (.suggested Ulis
might have been mistaken by the
United States plane for a raft.
I Washington Suspects Motive
hi view of the U.S. .AirTForce
statement that the n navy-'plane
missing in the Baltic area .was
«narnied, Washington, .observers
generally expect the "U.S.'to rc
Wt the Soviet allegations,- says
,''T!10 Daily News," in an edi
lo ¡al said: "At first blush it cer-
tainly would appear as if the
«ussians had shot down our
ii ,.£nd were now looking for
?»alibi. But let's not get trig
Be -happy. Let's keep the shirt
all ¡n "°n Until the returna are
tnl" ..2,, d,RPatoh from Washing-
ton, The New York Times" said
som! <^'as ^Peculation among
tSol .State Department officials
tri« w. SovIet Union hacl con
Si that porl of her Protest
Ä£ff, lhBt tne American
£!(h2",lil'ctl flrst «"»«J that the
vollov B tel*s had lotuTed the
mi'!Ifls, plea °r self-defence
exnlnlVsed ,n the futu,'e t0
expiam the discovery of the
S!?h!f »mowhew in.the Baltic,"
rhe Tmes" added.
u said that Hie specific' rule
of the U.S." Navy plane listed as
missing on the flight from Weis
baden to Copenhagen remained
'something' of a mystery.
The Navy had stated the plane
was on a routing'patrol, but ob-
servers noted that'-tlic crew Was
composed mainly of special tech-
nicians. It included three iclec
tronic specialists.
"This," said "The Times", I
"fired speculation, wholly uncon-1
firmed by authorities, to the ef-
fect that the plane might have I
been on a submarine detecting!
mission."
U.S. Planes Alleged
Over Sweden
STOCKHOLM, Wednesday.
The Swedish General Staff re-
ported to the-Foreign Ministry
that United States military
planes flew over the chief Swed-
ish marine base of Karlskrona
twice yesterday.
This*region is categorically for-1
biddon .to foreign planes and |
even to . Swedish civil planes.
The Foreign Ministry is ex-
pected to make representations |
ou the mutter to-day.
craft, for which a search had
been going on for over '.three
days, has 10 men on board. It
vanished while on a training
flight from Wiesbaden "to Copen-
hagen-only four hours before
the alleged incident. At that
time it was iiymg on a course
which, according to Wiesbaden I
report,« may have carried it into
the Libava area if it ran into dif-,1
Acuities. , >
An American air force spokes-
man' in Wiesbaden denied Danish
suggestions ' that the prolonged
search for the missing American
plane was a pretext for watch
'ing' Russian naval manoeuvres.
"We can fly over the Baltic
if we like," he said. "We don't
need excuses."
The spokesman repeated that
the missing plane was on a navi-
gational training flight and car-
ried no armament.
I Soviet Charges Against U.S.
An immediate inquiry into So-
viet chaiges ithat an «American.
military aircraft-allegedly a
Super Foi ti ess-violated Russian
tcintory on the Baltic on Easter
Saturday and had flred on a
flight of Russian planes has been
ordered by the State Department
and Service authorities.
A Soviet ' Note protesting
against the alleged violation was
handed to the; United States Am-
bassador, Allan Kirk, in Moscow
yesterday.
A Tass Newsagency report of
the alleged incident said that an
American aircraft flow over Rus
slon "territory" . near , Libava
(Latvia) on Saturday and'fired
on Soviet machines after-1 they;
had taken off to order it" down.'
Tass claimed that a Russian
fighter was forced. fto*-open^ fire
in return after "which*"the Ame-
rican plane turned towards the
sea and disappeared.'
The area where1 the alleged in-
cident occurred is said to be one
of the most closely guarded spots
in Russian-held territory.
* Swedish Press reports recent-
ly described it as a "highly ex-
plosive area" assorting that it
contained radar stations, estab-
lishments for guided missiles and
a submarine hase. '
" Swedish and Danish flying
boats1'have repeatedlv been ear>
tured in the area by Russian pat-
rol ships and taken, to "distant
Baltic poita.
i Observers in Washington said
that the Tass version that the
incident occurred in the vicinity
of Libava raised a legal question
concerning the status of Latvia.
The Soviet Union occupied Lat-
via in 1940 andv incorporated the
country into Soviet territory,
but Latvia had never been recog-
nised by the U.S. as Soviet ter-
ritory.
According to Tass the Ameri-
can plane penetra,ted -Soviet ter-
ritory to a ditsance of 13 miles.
'A ,Tass i correspondent in
Stockholm alleged early to-day
that the United, States was-Vio-
lating Denmark's: sovereignty,, ,
/'The* Americans, having occu-
pied Copenhagen's Kastrup air-
port,- have concentrated a con-
siderable military air force
there," he said. "They are vio-
lating Danish sovereignty' be-
cause these military aircraft con-
tinue, to arrive at the Danish
airfield without giving any no-
tice. Also, American bombers
are permitted to fly over Swe-
den, including -important strat-
egic regions."
I Reported Sighting Of Raft
COPENHAGEN, Wednesday. -
American aircraft took off soon
after dawn to-day to .continue
their search.
Sixteen of ! the 21 American
'planes based at Kastrup Air-
port were in the air at first light.
The Danish ¡Government, which
?had offered air force help in the
search, has so far received no
request to dei sd.
The search 'planes have been
instructed to stay at., least 20
miles away from the coast of the
Russian Baltic countries.
Air force experts believe the
ten men in ithe missing naval 1
Privateer should be able to sur-
vive for 20 days in this area on
the aircraft's life rafts. <
A life raft has been spotted
in the Baltic Sea, 40 to 50 miles
north-east of the island of Born-
holm. ¡ 4|
The United States Air' Force.,
announced that it had beert sight-
ed by one of its search planes.
The pilot ,of the plane saw
what appeared to, be a man
wearing an "exposure suit" in
the raft.
He also said there were un-
identified objects in the immedi-1
ate area. ¡
"Exposure suits" are specially
designed to protect fliers forced
to bail out into icy water.
Dutch naval cutters "are
steaming * to the scene ' and a
Danish- Navy Catalina flying
boat has also been sent.
Bornholm is about 300 miles
south-west of Latvia where the
Russians fired on an American
plane last Saturday.
The Danish Navy announced
that if there are any survivors
the Catalina will' land in the
Baltic to pick them up.
A -United States Air Force
spokesman said he did not know
if the missing plane < and the
one alleged to have been in-
volved in an incident with Soviet
fighters was the same aircraft.
The area where the raft was
sighted is a so-called clumping
field where Russian ships last
summer dropped thousands of
tons of mustard gas seized from
the Germans.
" Later, Danish naval authori-
ties at Copenhagen received a
report that the Danish Catalina
had seen a buoy placed where
the Russians dumped the mus-
tard gas.
The report (.suggested Ulis
might have been mistaken by the
United States plane for a raft.
I Washington Suspects Motive
hi view of the U.S. .AirTForce
statement that the n navy-'plane
missing in the Baltic area .was
«narnied, Washington, .observers
generally expect the "U.S.'to rc
Wt the Soviet allegations,- says
,''T!10 Daily News," in an edi
lo ¡al said: "At first blush it cer-
tainly would appear as if the
«ussians had shot down our
ii ,.£nd were now looking for
?»alibi. But let's not get trig
Be -happy. Let's keep the shirt
all ¡n "°n Until the returna are
tnl" ..2,, d,RPatoh from Washing-
ton, The New York Times" said
som! <^'as ^Peculation among
tSol .State Department officials
tri« w. SovIet Union hacl con
Si that porl of her Protest
Ä£ff, lhBt tne American
£!(h2",lil'ctl flrst «"»«J that the
vollov B tel*s had lotuTed the
mi'!Ifls, plea °r self-defence
exnlnlVsed ,n the futu,'e t0
expiam the discovery of the
S!?h!f »mowhew in.the Baltic,"
rhe Tmes" added.
u said that Hie specific' rule
of the U.S." Navy plane listed as
missing on the flight from Weis
baden to Copenhagen remained
'something' of a mystery.
The Navy had stated the plane
was on a routing'patrol, but ob-
servers noted that'-tlic crew Was
composed mainly of special tech-
nicians. It included three iclec
tronic specialists.
"This," said "The Times", I
"fired speculation, wholly uncon-1
firmed by authorities, to the ef-
fect that the plane might have I
been on a submarine detecting!
mission."
U.S. Planes Alleged
Over Sweden
STOCKHOLM, Wednesday.
The Swedish General Staff re-
ported to the-Foreign Ministry
that United States military
planes flew over the chief Swed-
ish marine base of Karlskrona
twice yesterday.
This*region is categorically for-1
biddon .to foreign planes and |
even to . Swedish civil planes.
The Foreign Ministry is ex-
pected to make representations |
ou the mutter to-day.
Särskilt två passager är intressanta:
A -United States Air Force
spokesman said he did not know
if the missing plane < and the
one alleged to have been in-
volved in an incident with Soviet
fighters was the same aircraft.
Det kan alltså röra sig om två olika plan. Ungefär som DC3:an och Catalinan.
Ryssarna dumpade tydligen senapsgas i Östersjön, visste ni det?
The area where the raft was
sighted is a so-called clumping
field where Russian ships last
summer dropped thousands of
tons of mustard gas seized from
the Germans.
Jag blir lätt illamående varje gång jag tänker på dessa historier. Flygare som överlevde nedskjutningar och fick leva hela sina liv i fångenskap och aldrig träffa sin familj igen. Men kan det verkligen vara sant, borde inte sanningen i dessa historier ha kommit fram när Sovjet föll samman?
Det finns kända nedskjutningar, typ amerikanen Gary Powers som fick komma hem igen efter några år. Om honom har det skrivits massor. Sen finns det mindre kända nedskjutningar. Man kan fråga sig varför det skrivits mindre om vissa?
Svensk eftergiftspolitik mot Sovjet tycker jag är en större skam än den s.k. eftergiftspolitiken mot Tyskland. Våra fega diplomater lät Raoul Wallenberg ruttna i Sibirien för att de inte vågade ställa till med en konflikt. Kan verkligen både svensk och amerikansk utrikespolitik ha varit lika feg gentemot Sovjet, om det fanns överlevande flygare vid bägge dessa händelser? Se bara på DC3-incidenten, den har ju Sverige försökt lägga locket på i alla år, man kan undra varför det varit så känsligt.
