2005-03-02, 17:44
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På begäran av Jan Svensson, som gärna vill reda ut begreppen
när det gäller samarbetet mellan nazister och zionister under WWII, samt dessa två ideologiers likhet, så startar jag denna nya tråd. Väl mött till en LUGN, SANSAD och AVSPÄND diskussion.
Jag inleder med att kopiera lite av de poster jag skrivit i den låsta tråden "Förintelsen - vi erkänner vi ljugit" där den egentliga debatten om detta känsliga ämne startade:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/satmar1.html
Henry Makow om sambandet mellan zionism och nazism:
när det gäller samarbetet mellan nazister och zionister under WWII, samt dessa två ideologiers likhet, så startar jag denna nya tråd. Väl mött till en LUGN, SANSAD och AVSPÄND diskussion.Jag inleder med att kopiera lite av de poster jag skrivit i den låsta tråden "Förintelsen - vi erkänner vi ljugit" där den egentliga debatten om detta känsliga ämne startade:
Citat:
http://www.rense.com/general40/zionn.htm
Nazis and Jews
"---At the 1958 World Jewish Conference in Geneva, Dr. Nahum Goldman, President of the World Zionist Organization, warned Jews that "a current decline of overt anti-Semitism might constitute a new danger to Jewish survival... The disappearance of anti-Semitism has had a very negative effect on our internal life.
Goldman was not the first Jew to recognize the common ground between Zionists and anti-Semites. In fact, ever since Zionism was invented by a Jewish journalist in the late nineteenth century, Zionist-inclined Jewish leaders have actually cooperated with anti-Semites, including Hitler's Nazis, in the prevention of Jewish assimilation.
The founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, himself entered into negotiations with the anti-Semitic Tsarist Minister of the Interior Plehve, who promised the Tsarist Government's "moral and material assistance" to the Zionist movement.
There is even a certain amount of evidence to show that Hitler was financed by Jewish interests. In his book, I Paid Hitler, Thyssen admitted that the Nazis themselves had been obliged to recognize the services rendered by the Jewish Simon Hirschland Bank in Essen, which had arranged Wall Street loans for Hitler through another Jewish bank in New York, Goldman Sachs & Co. For a long time no-one dared lay hands on the Simon Hirschland Bank, despite pressure from the extremist element of the Nazi Party.
Even well into the war, in 1944, Eichmann still liaised with his Zionist friends. He made a deal with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a leader of the Budapest Jewish community, that several thousand prominent Zionists would be allowed to emigrate to Palestine in return for Kastner keeping order amongst those who were being shipped to concentration camps.---"
"---At the 1958 World Jewish Conference in Geneva, Dr. Nahum Goldman, President of the World Zionist Organization, warned Jews that "a current decline of overt anti-Semitism might constitute a new danger to Jewish survival... The disappearance of anti-Semitism has had a very negative effect on our internal life.
Goldman was not the first Jew to recognize the common ground between Zionists and anti-Semites. In fact, ever since Zionism was invented by a Jewish journalist in the late nineteenth century, Zionist-inclined Jewish leaders have actually cooperated with anti-Semites, including Hitler's Nazis, in the prevention of Jewish assimilation.
The founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, himself entered into negotiations with the anti-Semitic Tsarist Minister of the Interior Plehve, who promised the Tsarist Government's "moral and material assistance" to the Zionist movement.
There is even a certain amount of evidence to show that Hitler was financed by Jewish interests. In his book, I Paid Hitler, Thyssen admitted that the Nazis themselves had been obliged to recognize the services rendered by the Jewish Simon Hirschland Bank in Essen, which had arranged Wall Street loans for Hitler through another Jewish bank in New York, Goldman Sachs & Co. For a long time no-one dared lay hands on the Simon Hirschland Bank, despite pressure from the extremist element of the Nazi Party.
Even well into the war, in 1944, Eichmann still liaised with his Zionist friends. He made a deal with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a leader of the Budapest Jewish community, that several thousand prominent Zionists would be allowed to emigrate to Palestine in return for Kastner keeping order amongst those who were being shipped to concentration camps.---"
Citat:
"---Before the war, the Zionist leaders proclaimed a massive international boycott against the German government. This aggressive policy poured fuel upon an already inflammatory situation, and consequently it helped start the Holocaust.
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"While the mass genocide of European Jewry took place, several plans were arranged to rescue as many Jews as possible. Rabbi Michael Ber Wisemandel and Joel Brand, among numerous others, arranged with silent approval from Hitler and German SS leaders, plans for the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of Jews, especially Hungarian, from Nazi persecution. Every single plan was undermined and destroyed by the Zionist leaders and the Jewish Agency.
'Rak B'Dam Thieye Lanuh Ha'Aretz' was the policy of the Zionist movement. In English: 'Only With Jewish Blood Can We Claim For, And Be Given A Land'.
In late 1944 Himmler established contacts with Jewish leaders for the evacuation of Jews out of Nazi areas of control.
These contacts were rebuffed at the instigation of the Zionists, as the Satmar Jewish commentator points out. The Zionists required the greatest number of Jewish deaths in areas of Third Reich control, in order to teach a summary lesson about the need for the creation of a secular (basically atheist) "Jewish state" in Palestine. The resulting misnamed "state of Israel" was secretly funded by our "glorious Ally--'Uncle Joe" Stalin (through a Czech pipeline) and Stalin provided key support for United Nations recognition of the Israeli entity.
It was a Zionist partnership with the Nazis and the Communists that lead to the creation of the Israeli state.
Rabbi Stephen Wise, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin are the real founders of the state of Israel.---"
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"While the mass genocide of European Jewry took place, several plans were arranged to rescue as many Jews as possible. Rabbi Michael Ber Wisemandel and Joel Brand, among numerous others, arranged with silent approval from Hitler and German SS leaders, plans for the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of Jews, especially Hungarian, from Nazi persecution. Every single plan was undermined and destroyed by the Zionist leaders and the Jewish Agency.
'Rak B'Dam Thieye Lanuh Ha'Aretz' was the policy of the Zionist movement. In English: 'Only With Jewish Blood Can We Claim For, And Be Given A Land'.
In late 1944 Himmler established contacts with Jewish leaders for the evacuation of Jews out of Nazi areas of control.
These contacts were rebuffed at the instigation of the Zionists, as the Satmar Jewish commentator points out. The Zionists required the greatest number of Jewish deaths in areas of Third Reich control, in order to teach a summary lesson about the need for the creation of a secular (basically atheist) "Jewish state" in Palestine. The resulting misnamed "state of Israel" was secretly funded by our "glorious Ally--'Uncle Joe" Stalin (through a Czech pipeline) and Stalin provided key support for United Nations recognition of the Israeli entity.
It was a Zionist partnership with the Nazis and the Communists that lead to the creation of the Israeli state.
Rabbi Stephen Wise, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin are the real founders of the state of Israel.---"
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/satmar1.html
Henry Makow om sambandet mellan zionism och nazism:
Citat:
http://www.savethemales.ca/000482.html
"---Zionists, on the other hand, welcomed the Nazis' anti Semitic policies. Like the Nazis, they believed in race-based national character and destiny. Like the Nazis, they believed Jews had no future in Germany.
The Zionists did not protest Nazi persecution such as the removal of 2000 Jewish scholars and scientists from German universities in 1933. The Nazis rewarded this "restraint" by allowing the Zionists to go about their work unhindered. All other Jewish and anti fascist organizations were disbanded and their leaders imprisoned.
The Nazis required all Jews to join the Zionist-led "Reich Union" whose goal was emigration. Jews were to be converted to Zionism at any cost. The Zionists were able to publish books and newspapers critical of the Nazis so long as the audience was restricted to Jews.
The cooperation extended to political and economic spheres. Adolph Eichmann set up agricultural training camps in Austria to prepare young Jews for Kibbutz life. He visited Palestine and conferred with Zionist leaders who confessed their true expansionist goals. There was even talk of a strategic alliance between Nazi Germany and Jewish Palestine. His report is in Himmler's Archives.---"
The Zionists did not protest Nazi persecution such as the removal of 2000 Jewish scholars and scientists from German universities in 1933. The Nazis rewarded this "restraint" by allowing the Zionists to go about their work unhindered. All other Jewish and anti fascist organizations were disbanded and their leaders imprisoned.
The Nazis required all Jews to join the Zionist-led "Reich Union" whose goal was emigration. Jews were to be converted to Zionism at any cost. The Zionists were able to publish books and newspapers critical of the Nazis so long as the audience was restricted to Jews.
The cooperation extended to political and economic spheres. Adolph Eichmann set up agricultural training camps in Austria to prepare young Jews for Kibbutz life. He visited Palestine and conferred with Zionist leaders who confessed their true expansionist goals. There was even talk of a strategic alliance between Nazi Germany and Jewish Palestine. His report is in Himmler's Archives.---"
men alla tillgängliga källor är nödvändiga för att få en något så när klar bild av trådens ämne och för övrigt beskriver dom symbiosen på samma sätt som dom andra jag citerat: