[WW2] - Auschwitz

Det finns inga "officiella siffror" inom vetenskap, inte ens historiska vetenskaper.

Du förstår vad jag menar, så sluta tramsa. Poängen är att sanningen ska fram, vad som än krävs, vilket du inte tycks hålla med om.

Ja, men det du menar är uppenbarligen att Auschwitz museets siffror var fel. Men att säga det är inte revisionism, eftersom det inte på nåt sätt var allmänt accpeterad konsensus inom forskningen.

Quotat från TB-303:s inlägg 85 i tråden "Varför sägs det att fler än sex miljoner judar (hjältar och martyrer ) dödades?" Förteckningen gäller alltså en del av de olika buden för Auschwitz-Birkenau. Lägg märke till att Yehuda Bauer från Yad Vashem (och heligare än så blir man knappast inom Holocaustindustrin) så sent som 1982 anger siffran till mellan två miljoner och fyra miljoner :

"I tidsordning:

3,000,000 - Source: Rudolf Höss, prior to Dec. 1, 1943.
8,000,000 - Source: The French War Crime Research Office, 1945.
4,000,000 - Source: Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial.

2,000,000 - Source: Leon Poliakov, 1951.

2,000,000 - Source: Georges Wellers, 1973.
2,000,000 - Source: Lucy Dawidowicz, 1975.
5,000,000 - Source: French daily, Le Monde, 1978.

3,500,000 - Source: Claude Lanzmann, 1980.
2,500,000 - Source: Rudolf Vrba, 1981.
2,000,000 - 4,000,000 - Source: Yehuda Bauer, 1982.
1,471,595 - Source: Georges Wellers, 1983.
1,100,000 - 1,500,000 - Source: Yisrael Gutman, Michael Berenbaum, 1984.
1,250,000 - Source: Raul Hilberg, 1985.
1,600,000 - Source: Yehuda Bauer, 1989.
1,433,000 - Source: French daily, Le Monde, 1989.
1,000,000 - Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, 1989.

900,000 - Source: Aufbau, 1990.
3,500,000 - Source: Dictionary of the French Language, 1991.
3,000,000 - Source: Heritage, 1993.
775,000 - 800,000 - Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, 1993.
630,000 - 710,000 - Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, 1994.
5,000,000 - Source: Die Welt, 1995.
1,500,000 - Source: Auschwitz museum, 1995.

135,000 - 140,000 - ITS"

Vad är det som Ezzelino vill uppnå med denna tråd. Orkar inte ens titta på dina länkar. Dom säger ju ingenting. Vem som helst kan ju ha skrivit dom och bara lagt ut?

Är målet att visa att det inte dog några alls i koncentrationsläger eller vart vill du komma?

http://deadlysins.com/sins/sloth.html

Så här kan det skrivas om Auschwitz i våra skolor i dag. Uppsatsen är från 2004-05-17.

http://www.mimersbrunn.se/arbeten/4079.asp

Härliga källhänvisningar killen har:

”Tonåring i förintelseläger” – en tonåring som satt i hela fyra olika läger, boken berättar hans upplevelser.

Fyra olika "förintelseläger", och ändå överlevde tonåringen. Herren gör mirakel! Men det blir givetvis högsta betyg för den här uppsatsen, Tim har visat att han är på väg att bli en lydig och kuvad samhällsmedborgare som kan anlitas i en lynchmobb mot de "onda" när som helst, om det kniper .

Från länken: "Alla källorna verkar trovärdiga p g a den likasinnande fakta de innehöll..."

Jadu, blir lite svårt att få till en annan historia med enbart de källorna. Nu var det nog inte menat som en granskning, så jag tror inte han letat upp andra åsikter i frågan.

Här finns bl.a. en timslång videointervju som David Cole gjorde med förre chefen för Auschwitzmuseet Franciscek Piper, en man som varit uppe i tråden några gånger: det var han som fick det delikata uppdraget att över en natt skära bort 2,5 miljoner döda från Auschwitzmonumentet 1990, ja inte bokstavligt förstås, men det var han som anförtroddes det sofistiska uppdraget att "förklara misstaget", som egentligen inte alls var ett misstag:

http://vho.org/what/


Germar Rudolfs nya bok på tyska finns inte ännu som pdf här, men den lär komma snart, dock liksom hans "Föreläsningar om Holocausten" än så länge bara på tyska.

Följande skräckfantiserande "vittnesmål" om Birkenau gavs av en viss Severina Shmaglevskaia, som påstår sig ha varit fånge där från hösten 1942 till januari 1945. Är detta trovärdigt? Ska det tillmätas någon relevans, eller är det ett fall för psykiatrin? Severina brer på väldigt tjockt med sin historia om fasa och elände...Ett korsförhör kunde kanske ha bringat reda i hennes Hans och Greta-inspirerade "barn-i-ugnarna"-påståenden.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc...08-69-04.shtml

"---A. I noticed then a woman in the last month of pregnancy. It was obvious from her appearance. This woman, together with the others, had to walk ten kilometres to the place of work and there she toiled the whole day, spade in hand, digging trenches. She was already ill and she asked the German superintendent, a civilian, for permission to rest. He refused, laughed at her and, together with another SS man, started beating her. He inspected her work very strictly. Such was the situation of all the women who were pregnant, and only during the very last minutes were they permitted to stay away from work. The newly-born children, if Jewish, were immediately put to death.

Q. Pardon me, witness, what do you mean by "were immediately put to death"? When was it?

A. They were immediately taken away from their mothers.

Q. When the transport arrived?

A. No, I am speaking of the children who were born in the concentration camp. A few minutes after delivery, the child was, taken from the mother, who never saw it again. After a few days, the mother had to return to work. In 1942, there were no special blocks in the camp for the children. At the beginning of 1943, when they started to tattoo the internees, the children born in the concentration camp were also branded. The number was tattooed on their legs.

Q. Why on the leg?

A. Because the child is very small and there was not enough room on their tiny arms for the number, which contained five digits. The children did not have special numbers, but bore the same numbers as the grown-ups, that is to say, they were given consecutive numbers.

The children were placed in a special block and every few weeks, sometimes months, they were taken away from the camp.

Q. Where?

A. We were never able to find out where these children were taken. They were taken away regularly all the time this camp existed; that is to say, in 1943 and 1944. The last convoy of children left the camp in January, 1945. These were not only Polish children, because, as you know, in Birkenau there were women from all over Europe. Even to-day we do not know whether these children are alive.

I should like, in the name of all the women of Europe who became mothers in concentration camps, to ask the Germans to- day: "Where are these children?"

Q. Tell, me, witness, did you yourself see the children being taken to gas chambers?

A. I worked very close to the railway which led to the crematorium. Sometimes in the morning I passed near the building the Germans used as a latrine, and from there I could secretly watch the transport. I saw many children among the Jews brought to the concentration camp. Sometimes a family had several children. The Tribunal is probably aware of the fact that in front of the crematorium they were all sorted out.

Q. Selection was made by the doctors?

A. Not always by doctors, sometimes by SS men.

Q. And doctors with them?

A. Yes, sometimes by doctors, too. During the sorting, the youngest and the healthiest Jews in very small numbers entered the camp. Women carrying children in their arms or wheeling them in perambulators, or who had children, were sent to the crematorium together with their children. The children were separated from their parents in front of the crematorium and were led separately into the gas chambers.

At that time when the greatest number of Jews were exterminated in the gas chambers, an order was issued that the children were to be thrown into the ovens or the ditches without previous asphyxiation.

Q. How should we understand that? Were they thrown into the ovens alive or were they killed by other means before they were burned?

A. The children were thrown in alive. Their cries could be heard all over the camp. It is hard to say how many there were.

Q. Nevertheless there was some reason why this was done? Was it because the gas chambers were overworked?

A. It is very difficult to answer this question. We do not know whether they wanted to economise on the gas or whether there was no room in the gas chambers.

I should also add that it is impossible to determine the number of these children because they, together with the Jews who were driven directly to the crematorium, were not registered, were not tattooed and very often were not even counted. We, the internees, often tried to ascertain the number of people who perished in gas chambers, but our estimates of the number of children executed could only be based on the number of children's perambulators which were brought to the shops. Sometimes there were hundreds of these perambulators, but sometimes they sent thousands.---"

OT-inlägg raderade.
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