[WW2] - Sagan om tvålen som var en "ren" lögn! [Tvål och lampskärmar av lägerfångar]

Påstådda tvåltillverkning skulle, med tanke på den bestialitet nazisterna visade i sitt utrotningskrig mot judarna m.fl., i och för sig inte vara orimlig.

Därav ryktena om det. Men det har aldrig av seriösa historiker påståtts att detta skulle ha skett i någon nämnvärd skala.

Vissa fakta om det finns i följande länk, där det får anses vara belagt att en viss tillverkning och/eller förberedelse för det förekom vid ett institut i Danzig.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techn...l/soap-01.html

Betr. förkrympta människohuvuden/lampskärmar har det aldrig påståtts något annat än att det i ett enstaka fall förekommit i ett koncentrationsläger, närmare bestämt av lägerfrun Ilse Koch i Buchenwald.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techn...y-koch-01.html

Förintelsen handlar om flera miljoner av nazisterna mördade och massavrättade människor och inte om tvål och lampskärmar.

Instämmer till hundra procent.

Och mycket bra länkar till nizkor - de förklarar i alla fall tvålhistorien.

En förvirrad dåre försökte faktiskt göra två ...

I koncentrationslägret Buchenwalds museum finns det lampskärmar av människohud, jag har för mig att det var kommendanten eller hans fru som som skulle ha haft dessa i sin ägo.

Kan man gasa oskyldiga människor hela dagarna är man nog också kapabel till andra otrevligheter, även om jag tror att lampskärmstillverkningen var engångsföreteelser och inte senaste modet i Tyskland, som jag fick lära mig i skolan.

Jaha då var det väl bevisat då. Dags att låsa tråden?

Historien om tvåltillverkning av människofett visar sig vid en närmare granskning vara enbart hatpropaganda och en riktig "såpa".

Wartime rumors that the Germans were manufacturing soap from the corpses of slaughtered Jews were based in part on the fact that soap bars distributed by German authorities in Jewish ghettos and camps bore the impressed initials "RIF," which many took to stand for "Rein jüdisches Fett" or "Pure Jewish Fat." (It did not seem to matter that the letters were "RIF" and not "RJF.") These rumors spread so widely in 1941 and 1942 that by late 1942 German authorities in Poland and Slovakia were expressing official concern about their impact.

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In spite of all the apparently impressive evidence, the charge that the Germans manufactured soap from human beings is a falsehood, as Holocaust historians are now belatedly acknowledging. The "RIF" soap bar initials that supposedly stood for "Pure Jewish Fat" actually indicated nothing more sinister than "Reich Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning" ("Reichsstelle für Industrielle Fettversorgung"), a German agency responsible for wartime production and distribution of soap and washing products. RIF soap was a poor quality substitute that contained no fat at all, human or otherwise.

Shortly after the war the public prosecutor's office of Flensburg, Germany, began legal proceedings against Dr. Rudolf Spanner for his alleged role in producing human soap at the Danzig Institute. But after an investigation the charge was quietly dropped. In a January 1968 letter, the office stated that its inquiry had determined that no soap from human corpses was made at the Danzig Institute during the war.

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More recently, Jewish historian Walter Laqueur "denied established history" by acknowledging in his 1980 book, The Terrible Secret, that the human soap story has no basis in reality. [29] Gitta Sereny, another Jewish historian, noted in her book Into That Darkness: "The universally accepted story that the corpses were used to make soap and fertilizer is finally refuted by the generally very reliable Ludwigsburg Central Authority for Investigation into Nazi Crimes." [30] Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of modern Jewish history, similarly "rewrote history" when she confirmed in 1981: "The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap." [31]

In April 1990, professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew University, regarded as a leading Holocaust historian, as well as Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, confirmed that the human soap story is not true. Camp inmates "were prepared to believe any horror stories about their persecutors," Bauer said. At the same time, though, he had the chutzpah to blame the legend on "the Nazis." [32]

In fact, blame for the soap story lies rather with individuals such as Simon Wiesenthal and Stephen Wise, organizations like the World Jewish Congress, and the victorious Allied powers, none of whom has ever apologized for promoting this vile falsehood.

Why did Bauer and Krakowski decide that this was the appropriate time to officially abandon the soap story? Krakowski himself hints that a large part of the motivation for this "tactical retreat" has been to save what's left of the sinking Holocaust ship by throwing overboard the most obvious falsehoods. In the face of the growing Revisionist challenge, easily demonstrable falsehoods like the soap story have become dangerous embarrassments because they raise doubts about the entire Holocaust legend. As Krakowski put it: "Historians have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people deny the Holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use against the truth?"

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The "human soap" story demonstrates anew the tremendous impact that a wartime rumor, no matter how fantastic, can have once it has taken hold, particularly when it is disseminated as a propaganda lie by influential individuals and powerful organizations. That so many intelligent and otherwise thoughtful people could ever have seriously believed that the Germans distributed bars of soap brazenly labeled with letters indicating that they were manufactured from Jewish corpses shows how readily even the most absurd Holocaust fables can be — and are — accepted as fact.

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/soaptale.html

Jaha, en "ren lögn" med tvålar som fortfarande finns i Polen och ett existerande recept...

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...an+soap+danzig

Självklart var detta bara som ett "experiment", det blev alltså inte masstillverkat.

Nu har jag lusläst sidan du länkade till och ingenstans finns fakta för att detta ens hade kommit till ett experimentstadium. Allt är spekulationer. Jag håller en låg profil här men ställer mig tveksam till äktheten hos dom ryska dokumenten. Som väl för övrigt bara är recept på hur man för husbehov kan tillverka tvål och egentligen inte alls behöver vara relevanta i sammanhanget.

Några debattörers syn på saken:

"The question is what´s written in russian. These instructions do neither confirm nor rebut the claim that the Nazis used to make soap out of Jews. The only interesting thing I see on the german original is that it´s written on the paper of an anatomical institute."

[...]

"...this was indeed stated to have been on the letterhead of the Danzig Anatomical Institite and said to have been found nailed to a peice of plywood."

[...]

"...in fact you can also use K2O instead of KOH. I was mistaken about the solubility, but my books set me straight But what they also told me is that it´s extremly complicated to make soap out of animal/human fat (compared to vegetable oil)."


Till och med Yehuda Bauer är tveksam:

[Yehuda Bauer i brev till Jerusalem Post 29/5 1990]

"The reason why no historian has ever claimed that Germans made industrial use of human bodies for the production of soap is also contained in those very testimonies. They show that the "Institute" was established in the course of 1944 by a Danzig Nazi scientist (Dr. Spanner) who invented the method by which this could be done, and persuaded an apparently enthusiastic Berlin authority (we do not know who it was) to support his experiments."

[...]

"The Holocaust deniers waiting in the wings are eager to pick up any inaccuracies we may inadvertently commit, and we should not ease their "work."



[Yehuda Bauer i brev till redaktören på Jewish Standard]

"At the end of the war, the Russians uncovered, near Gdansk [then known as Danzig (JD)], a small laboratory in which parts of human bodies were used, of Polish and Russian slave workers probably, for some chemical purposes.These experiments could possibly have involved attempts to make soap out of human fats (which we know today is an almost impossible thing to do), but the Nazis apparently never managed to go beyond the experimental stage, if indeed that is what they were trying to do there. The laboratory was small, and it had been established only towards the end of the war. It did not involve Jewish bodies. The Russian prosecutor at Nuremberg brought the issue up in the trials, but had to drop it because no proof could be presented that these were actual experiments for the production of soap."

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"I deeply respect survivors' testimonies, and Mr. Starkman's is one of these, but that does not mean to say that such testimonies are free from misperceptions."

Det intressanta var väl det Tyska dokumentet....

Där är två (2) tyska dokument varav det ena troligen är en handskriven kopia av det maskinskrivna, som i sin tur är en kopia av det ryska. Inget skandalöst i det.

*Tillfälligt låst för att alla ska coola ner. Öppnar igen torsdag kväll*

Jag har nu fått bekräftat från en rysk vän att ingenstans i det ryska dokumentet står det någonting om fett från människor, bara fett i allmänhet.
Inget skandalöst nu heller.

Tvålen gör ingen skillnad på var fettet kommer ifrån gris, lejon eller åsna, tysk, svensk, jude eller ryss.
Med tanke på hur många djur som dör i krig lär det inte finnas någon anledning alls att göra tvål av människor. Häst och hundtvål låter fan så mycket sannolikare än judetvål. dessutom borde koncentrations/arbetslägerfångar ha synnerligen brist på den viktigaste ingrediensen.....

Ännu knäppare än lampskärmar och hår till stoppning..........