[WW2] - "De rena förintelselägren" (Treblinka II, Belzec, Sobibor och Chelmno)

"---The Poles themselves did excavations in Treblinka during 5 days in November 1945 under judge Lukaszkiewicz, who wrote in his final report on November 13, 1945:

“From witness reports and the results of our excavations at the camp site it can with great probability be ascertained, that no mass graves exist in the area of the camp Treblinka”.---

Any alleged mass grave which supposedly held such numbers would be a breeze to find to this day.

think:

- infra-red heat detection via changed moisture content
- ground penetrating radar
- topography changes
- soil density variation
- soil layer disruption

Or as Tom Moran says, 'two guys with shovels'.---"

"---The area of Treblinka I was investigated under official supervision by the authorities in August 22 and 23, 1944 locally at Treblinka I. They discovered three mass graves and 13 individual graves with a total of 320 bodies.

Subsequently did the Soviet army officers prepare jointly with local Polish authorities the first official report about Treblinka on August 24: “About 3 Million people were killed in Treblinka”.

Between November 9 and 13, 1945, did the Polish judge Lukaszkiewicz together with a group of workers excavate in Treblinka II with these results:

On November 9, 1945: With 20 workers in the area of alleged mass graves as indicated by eye witness Rajzman. They dug up to 6 m (18 ft) deep. They found all kinds of things, coins among others. But no human remains.

On November 10, 1945: The work continued with 36 workers. They found kitchen equipment and household goods, some Polish documents and one identification card of a German Jew, also some more coins. No human remains.

November 11, 1945: They performed a couple of test excavations where the alleged gas chamber were supposed to have been. 10 – 15 m long and 1.5 m deep (30 –45 ft by 5 ft deep). Here they came to untouched virgin soil.

Then they investigated a bomb crater, 18 ft deep and 75 ft wide. Here they discovered ashes as well as human remains. They kept on digging, found further human remains. At 7.5 m (23 ft) depth they hit the bottom of the pit and discontinued their work.

November 13, 1945: They excavated with the help of 30 workers a pit, which turned out to be a garbage dump. They found a large number of documents. There was a 3 m deep pit apparently dug by some Poles in search for gold. A large number of damaged kitchen ware and clothes , as well as coins from several European countries were discovered. At 5 m depth the excavations were discontinued.

Said judge Lukaszkiewicz in his final report on November 13, 1945: From witness reports and the results of our excavations at the camp site it can with great probability be ascertained, that no mass graves exist in the area of the camp Treblinka II.

On August 9 and 10, 1946 did judge Lukaszkiewicz together with a land surveyor and the court doctor look for further mass graves in the area of Treblinka I. They found in a forest close by 41 mass graves, 40 of which were already opened. They found several corpses scattered around, they could salvage 10 bodies from one grave which was partially opened. The court doctor checked 112 sculls, and only in two cases was a hole caused by a bullet found.

The total area was 1.607 m². The judge estimated that by the size of the area a total of 6500 corpses could have been buried there.

Source: Mattofno/Graf: »Treblinka« and S. Wojtczak [i]»Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I I osroderk zaglady Treblinka II.

What happened to the other 700,000/900,000 (or 3 Million) victims?---"

"---In the case of Treblinka, the Poles undertook excavations in Treblinka II during 5 days in November 1945 under judge Lukaszkiewicz, who wrote in his final report on November 13, 1945: “From witness reports and the results of our excavations at the camp site it can with great probability be ascertained, that no mass graves exist in the area of the camp Treblinka”

Something is very wrong here! Let me get this straight then. During 1942 870,000 Jews were supposedly and impossibly gassed by diesel fumes, they were then buried in mass graves, which in itself is one monumental task. How long would that take, six months? Then they were all dug up again and supposedly burnt on pyres, another massive task. How long would that take, six-ten months? So the ground has been decimated twice and twice back-filled with foreign materials. Yet barely two years later this supposed investigator, could not find the areas where only two years earlier such devastation had reigned?

You would never be able to repair the terrain from such damage in the space of two years, anyone would have been able to spot it a mile off and walk straight up to it. There is no way the ground would have settled in such a short period of time and no way the vegetable matter and plant growth would have established itself and matured in such a ridiculously short period….Absolutely no-way! Yet by incredible luck this judge who could not find these very recent excavations on his first visit, somehow managed to find forty of them a year later!!?? ….But they had been destroyed, how splendid!

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A year later the same judge undertook further research in the vicinity of Treblinka I and discovered 40 mass grave, in one he found 112 skulls, the other graves were destroyed. He estimated that it is possible that 6500 bodies were once buried there.

How does one equate 112 skulls with 6500 bodies? Is this industry math again?

If the graves had been destroyed, then how did he find them?

Just how does one pursue the task of destroying a grave? What do you actually do to it, to render it destroyed?

Just spare us all this Treblinka shambles, there is nothing there and never has been, that is why the industry is smearing a six inch layer of concrete all over the place and planting all those silly stones everywhere, so as to impede any investigation. If any of these stupid graves had ever been in existence, they would have been easily found after the war. They could also be easily found now, if someone was serious about finding them, but they are not. Because they know there’s nothing there.---"

"Judas Priests Genocide:

"---Save me, my heart’s open wide
Help me, no question of pride
Save me, my people have died
Total genocide

Slice to the left, slice to the right
None to retaliate, none will fight
Chopping at the hearts, snuffing out the lives
This race departs, no one will survive
Heads to the feet, feet to the air
Souls in the soil, heavy in despair
End of all ends, body into dust
To greet death friends, extinction is a must"---"

Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel [gave] a series of depositions to judicial authorities in Germany in the 1950's. Pfannenstiel claimed that Gerstein's version was "false" and "full of exaggerations."

Günther did not accompany them to Lublin.

He did not go to Treblinka after visiting Belzec and thus did not give a speech there.

The gassing at Belzec had taken only 18 minutes, not 32 minutes, and he had not made any remark about the Jews weeping as they do in a synagogue.

He did confirm that the Jews had to strip naked, the women had their hair cut, an SS officer made soothing remarks, the Jews were driven into four of six gas chambers in the building, exhaust gas from an engine was piped in, and gold teeth were taken from the corpses before they were stacked in a trench by Jews who did the "dirty work."

Alldeles riktigt bolt , och det finns heller ingen logik i att frakta alla västeuropas judar till "förintelseläger" långt österut mitt under brinnande världskrig för att mörda dessa när detta

Och hur besvärligt skulle det inte vara att frakta alla judar till Madagaskar under brinnande krig då?

It also is clear from the few preserved train schedules that the trains were emptied at Treblinka and returned to their departure point without passengers.

Die Zeit zwischen der Ankunft eines Transportes auf der Bahnhofsrampe und der völligen Vernichtung der mit ihm ins Lager gekommenen Menschen betrug im Regelfalle nicht mehr als etwa 1 1/2 Stunden. Das ergibt sich auch aus den erhalten gebliebenen Fahrplänen der Generaldirektion der Ostbahn, wonach in vielen Fällen zwischen dem Zeitpunkt des Eintreffens und der Abfahrt des bereits wieder völlig ausgeladenen und gesäuberten Zuges nicht mehr als 2 1/2 bis 3 1/2 Stunden vorgesehen waren mit dem ausdrücklichen Hinweis, dass diese Planzeiten unbedingt einzuhalten seien.

1. Deportations of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto (1942)

The facts and circumstantial evidence assembled so far lead to the conclusion that Treblinka was mainly a transit camp established for the Jewish population of the Warsaw district, which fits within the framework of National Socialist policy of the resettlement of Jews to the east. The verifiable deportations to Treblinka can be explained in this sense. Let us begin with those from the Warsaw Ghetto.

According to the files of the Jewish Council of Warsaw, the following Jews were evacuated from the ghetto in the summer of 1942:[816]---

Thus, 251,545 Jews are supposed to have been deported to Treblinka and murdered there, another 11,315 Jews, however, are supposed to have been deported to the transit camp of the ghetto and put to work there. Are these figures reliable?

First, we emphasize the enormous discrepancy between the number of those fit and those unfit for labor: the former were supposed to have comprised 4.5%, the latter 95.5% of the deportees! Compared to this, on June 30, 1942, in the ghetto of Lodz, 68,896 Jews were employed, i.e. fit for work,[818] of a total population of 102,546 Jews,[819] therefore 67.2%!

Railway documents dealing with the deportation of Jews from Warsaw are unfortunately extremely rare. For the period of interest to us only a single schedule exists relating to this. It was issued on August 3, 1942, by the General Management of the Eastern Railway in Krakow and reads:

"From August 6, 1942, until further notice, a special train with resetlers is running from Warsaw Danz BF [Danzig railway station] to Treblinka and running empty as follows [...]"

The departure of one train per day was scheduled: "1/. P Kr 9085 / 9.30 / Warsaw Danz Bf - Małkinia - Treblinka," with departure at 12:25 PM, arrival at 4:20 PM, and return "2/. Ln Kr 9086 / 11.30 / Treblinka - Małkinia - Warsaw Danz Bf" with departure at 7:00 PM and arrival at 11:19 PM.[820]

Moreover, Albert Ganzenmüller, Secretary of State in the Reichsverkehrsministerium (Ministry of Transport) and Deputy General Director of the German Reichsbahn (Imperial railway), made the following report to SS-Gruppenführer Wolff on July 28, 1942:[821]

"Since July 22, a train with 5,000 Jews makes a daily trip from Warsaw to Treblinka via Małkinia, in addition to a train with 5,000 Jews traveling twice a week from Przemysl to Belzec."

On August 13, Wolff responded:[822]

"I have noted with especial pleasure your report that a train with 5,000 members of the Chosen People has already been running for 14 days to Treblinka every day, and we are thus indeed in a position to carry out this movement of population at an accelerated tempo."

On April 11, 1962, Wolff was confronted with this letter during questioning as a witness at the preliminary investigations for the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial. Wolff made the following statement in reply to this:[823]

"At the time I did not connect the notion of a mass extermination camp with the name of Treblinka. I assumed it was a Jewish reservation [sic], as Himmler had explained it to me."

Incredibly, not a single German report concerning such a large-scale displacement of population has been preserved. The only numerical information available to us comes from a terse excerpt from the Stroop Report:[247]

"The first large resettlement action took place in the period from 22 July to 3 October 1942. In this action 310,322 Jews were removed."

This figure is definitely reliable and on the whole it corresponds to the table cited above, so that this may be taken to reflect actual numbers. It is also quite probable that most of the transports went to Treblinka. It also is clear from the few preserved train schedules that the trains were emptied at Treblinka and returned to their departure point without passengers. Of course, none of this proves that the deportees were murdered in Treblinka. The "Disclosures and Conditions for the Jewish Council" of July 22, 1943, prescribed:[824]

"All Jewish persons who live in Warsaw, of whatever age and sex, are to be resettled to the east."

Exempted from the resettlement were, among others:

"[...] all Jewish persons who, on the first day of the evacuation, are in one of the Jewish hospitals and unable to be discharged. Whether a patient is able to be released is to be determined by a physician to be selected by the Jewish Council."

The following regulation pertains to the baggage:

"Each Jewish resettler is allowed to bring along 15 kg of his property as baggage for the trip. All valuables: gold, jewelry, money, etc., can be taken along. A food supply for 3 days should be brought along."

The announcement of the Jewish Council - likewise dated July 22, 1942 - contained the same instructions but began as follows:[825]

"By order of the German authorities all Jewish persons who live in Warsaw, of whatever age and sex, are to be resettled to the east."

The instructions in regard to baggage contained the following warning:[826]

"Baggage of more than 15 kg will be confiscated."

In an announcement of July 24, 1942, the Jewish Council proclaimed:[827]

"As a result of incorrect information, which is circulating in the Jewish quarter of Warsaw in connection with the evacuation, the Jewish Council in Warsaw was given permission by the authorities to announce that the evacuation of the populace not productively active in the Jewish quarter of Warsaw will, in fact, occur."

On July 29, 1942, the Director of the Jewish Ordnungsdienst (law & order services) issued the following summons:[828]

"I am hereby announcing that all persons, who will be resettled according to the instruction of the authorities, will voluntarily report for the journey on the 29th, 30th, and 31st of July of this year, will receive 3 kg of bread and 1 kg of jam. Place of assembly for distribution of the products - Stawikiplatz at the Wildstraße corner."

The German authorities were providing 180,000 kg of bread and 36,000 kg of jam for the volunteers.[829]

Let us summarize: The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto were supposed "to be resettled to the east"; sick persons in the hospitals who were "unable to be discharged" were exempt from the evacuation; every person ready for resettlement received 3 kg of bread and 1 kg of jam - all of this does not conform to a policy of extermination.

It is worthwhile to quote what Eugene Kulischer wrote in this regard:[830]

"For the Polish ghettos are not the last stage in the forced eastward migration of the Jewish people. On 20 November 1941, the Governor General, Hans Frank, broadcast the information that the Polish Jews would ultimately be transferred further east. Since the summer of 1942 the ghettos and labour camps in the German-occupied Eastern Territories have become the destination of deportees both from Poland and from western and central Europe; in particular, a new large-scale transfer from the Warsaw ghetto has been reported. Many of the deportees have been sent to the labour camps on the Russian front; others to work in the marshes of Pinsk, or to the ghettos of the Baltic countries, Bielorussia and Ukraine."

Kulischer even knew all about the fact that

"on 22 July 1942, the Jewish Council of Warsaw received an order to prepare 6,000 persons to be sent away daily."[831]

In the months that followed, letters and post cards, which were addressed to their relatives by deported Jews, arrived in the Warsaw Ghetto from Białystok, Pinsk, Bobruisk, Brzezc, Smolensk, Brest Litovsk, and Minsk.[832] The resistance organizations in the ghetto, who at that time were already peddling the atrocity stories of the steam chambers, were of course making fast and loose claims that these letters and cards were forgeries fabricated by the Germans for the purpose of deceiving the Jews.---"