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2014-09-09, 22:21
  #181
Medlem
En intressant läsning om Internationella Röda Korsets åtgärder under WW2, eller rättare sagt den nästan totala bristen på sådana, https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/d...ste-020205.htm
Citera
2014-09-10, 08:57
  #182
Medlem
Tyvärr visar länken från igår (den 9.9) https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/d...ste-020205.htm inte direkt det jag syftade till. Jag lägger därför ut den här:

Under Hitler's regime, Jews were deprived of all their rights and dispossessed of their property, packed into overcrowded ghettos, forced to wear a yellow star and subjected to countless forms of humiliation and brutality, to deportation and massacres. During the war, the number of roundups increased and Jews were systematically deported to concentration and extermination camps, cut off completely from the outside world.

In December 1939, the President of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) approached the German Red Cross to arrange for ICRC delegates to visit the Jews from Vienna who had been deported to Poland. He met with a refusal, as the German authorities did not under any circumstances want to enter into a discussion on the fate of these people.

From then on, the ICRC opted for a strategy of no longer addressing the question of Jews directly -- it did so only in general approaches concerning the victims of mass arrests or deportation, and then it made no reference to their religious affiliation or racial origins, although it was clear that the people in question were, for the most part, Jews.

On 29 April 1942, the German Red Cross informed the ICRC that it would not communicate any information on " non-Aryan " detainees, and asked it to refrain from asking questions about them.

Information about the persecution inflicted on Jews did, however, filter out of Germany and the German-occupied countries, to reach the Allied governments, and some of this information also became known to the ICRC.

In the summer of 1942, the International Committee of the Red Cross debated whether to launch a general appeal on violations of international humanitarian law. It prepared a draft, but decided in the end not to issue the appeal, believing that it would not achieve the desired results. The ICRC therefore continued with its bilateral approaches.

Food parcels

A year later, the ICRC obtained authorization from the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send food parcels to internees in the concentration camps whose whereabouts it knew of. It had details concerning about 50 deportees, to each of whom it sent a parcel, and during the summer it received acknowledgements of receipt countersigned by the addressees. The ICRC subsequently managed to find out where other deportees were interned and it expanded its parcel-sending operation. By 1 March 1945, the ICRC had details on about 56,000 deportees, and by the end of the hostilities, 105,000. From the summer of 1944 onwards, the organization supplemented its individual parcels with collective shipments. In total, up to May 1945 it sent over 122,000 parcels to the concentration camps. But this operation did not succeed in reaching those deportees who were subjected to the harshest regime, nor did it give captives any protection from torture or massacres. The International Committee of the Red Cross thus continued its approaches to the German authorities, in order to visit the concentration camps. These approaches met with a categorical refusal.

In October 1943, the International Committee of the Red Cross sent a delegate named Jean de Bavier to Hungary. On 17 May 1944, Friedrich Born arrived to take his place. Powerless to prevent it, they witnessed the wave of deportations to Auschwitz of almost all the Jews living in the provinces, which was organized by the SS between 15 May and 7 July 1944.

The work of Friedrich Born

In July 1944, Friedrich Born obtained authorization from the Hungarian government to provide the Jews in Budapest with certificates showing that they were in possession of immigration papers issued by Latin American countries. These certificates did not enable the Budapest Jews to leave Hungary, which was surrounded by territories under the control of the Reich, but they did afford them a certain amount of protection.

In addition, Born set up around 60 children's homes which took in between 7,000 and 8,000 Jewish children, including many orphans. He placed under his protection all the hospitals, shelters and community kitchens that belonged to the Jewish community in Budapest. To do this, he took on a staff of some 3,000 volunteers, mostly Jews, and gave them documents legitimizing their status.

These measures were generally respected up until the time the regent, Admiral Miklós Horthy, was overthrown on 15 October 1944 by the Arrow Cross Party, which, in a matter of days, deported over 50,000 Jews from the capital, sending them in the direction of the German border.

Friedrich Born, unable to prevent this deportation, distributed some relief supplies to the deportees, who had been deprived of everything. He did, however, prevent the departure of the last convoys, which consisted of about 7,500 people (read more on Friedrich Born ).

Other activities in Europe

In Bucharest, two ICRC delegates, Charles Kolb and Vladimir de Steiger, tried, among other things, to make various proposals that would have enabled Jews to emigrate to Turkey and, from there, to Palestine or Latin American countries. With the support of Jewish organizations, the delegates submitted these propo sals and made different types of representations to the authorities, all of which came to nothing, as it was impossible to obtain the necessary permission. Nevertheless, the ICRC delegates did manage to save some Jews from being deported.

On 23 June 1944, an ICRC delegate, Dr. Maurice Rossel, went to Theresienstadt. His visit was carefully orchestrated. He walked through the ghetto under the escort of SS officers, but he did not have the opportunity to talk with the Jewish people there, nor to get inside the fortress. Two representatives of the Danish government also took part in the visit.

On 27 September 1944, Dr Rossel went to Auschwitz. There he spoke to the commander of the camp, but he was not authorized to go inside it.

Inside Dachau

In the last days of the war, ICRC delegates were able for the first time to go inside the camps at Turckheim, Dachau and Mauthausen. They succeeded in preventing last-minute executions, and negotiated the surrender of the camps on the arrival of the Allied forces. The ICRC delegate at Mauthausen, Louis Haefliger, managed to get an order revoked, thereby preventing the underground aviation factory at Gusen (which was part of the camp) from being blown up, together with the 40,000 or so detainees who were in it.

ICRC delegates were not able to prevent the evacuation of the camps at Oranienburg or Ravensbruck, which took place under appalling conditions. The delegates could only try to give out food supplies to the deportees on the roadside.

Apart from the work of Friedrich Born in Hungary and a few sporadic instances elsewhere, the ICRC's efforts to assist Jews and other groups of civilians persecuted during the Second World War were a failure.

By taking part in the 1995 ceremony to commemorate the liber ation of the Auschwitz camp, the President of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Cornelio Sommaruga, sought to show that the organization was fully aware of the gravity of the Holocaust and the need to keep the memory of it alive, so as to prevent any repetition of it. He paid tribute to all those who had suffered or lost their lives during the war and publicly regretted the past mistakes and shortcomings of the Red Cross with regard to the victims of the concentration camps.
Citera
2014-09-10, 09:32
  #183
Medlem
En goggleöversättning till svenska av ovanstående kan verkligen rekommenderas!
Citera
2014-09-10, 16:12
  #184
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Vänlige Viktor
Du borde kanske skriva revisionistiska hjärnor.
Han har nämligen ifrågasatt att man kan leda varmluft i sidled. När jag bad om klargörelse påstår han att man bryter mot naturlagarna om man leder varmluft, tex med en fläkt, åt något annat håll än uppåt.
Det är möjligt att sådana resonemang imponerar på dig, men jag är inte speciellt imponerad.

/VV

Att DU är för okunnig och svagbegåvad för att förstå är väl sin sak, det avgörande problemet handlar nog mer om att du faktiskt inte vill förstå.
Citera
2014-09-10, 16:14
  #185
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Laughlines
Det är det du som är. Du brukar ju skriva här att folkmordet på judar aldrig ägde rum.

Var har jag skrivit detta?

Jag har aldrig förnekat att enligt dagens sätt att se på folkmord så vore nationalsocialisternas deportering och fängslande av judarna i koncentrationsläger att betrakta som ett folkmord. Vad jag däremot har uttryckt skepsis mot är att det skulle ha inträffat ett industriellt massmord på judar under tredje riket. Detta har du fortfarande inte kunnat belägga.
Citera
2014-09-11, 00:50
  #186
Medlem
Vänlige Viktors avatar
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Skoll
Vad jag däremot har uttryckt skepsis mot är att det skulle ha inträffat ett industriellt massmord på judar under tredje riket.

Så du är skeptisk?
Skönjer vi en omsvängning?

/VV
Citera
2014-09-11, 20:07
  #187
Medlem
Litet mer angående tyskarnas "omvårdnad" av krigsfångar.

Ur http://www.popularhistoria.se/artiklar/i-segrarens-vald

"Åtskilliga av de konflikter som följt sedan de första internationella krigskonventionerna undertecknades har tyvärr visat att det fortfarande är lång väg kvar innan en humanitär behandling av fångar och civila är allmänt accepterad. I flera fall har övergrepp och mord skett därför att regeringar helt enkelt vägrat erkänna fångarna som krigsfångar. Under exempelvis andra världskriget nekade Adolf Hitler de 400 000 tillfångatagna polska soldaterna status som krigsfångar med motiveringen att det inte längre fanns någon polsk stat. Vidare dog miljontals ryska krigsfångar i nazistiska läger, vilket Hitler bland annat rättfärdigade med att Sovjetunionen inte undertecknat Haagkonventionen".

Det var ju så att Polen styckats av tyskarna, Generalgovernementet o.s.v., så den polska staten fanns alltså inte kvar. Den polska exilregeringen som fanns i London återkom efter krigsslutet, men då styrdes Polen av ryssarna.

Ur http://www.levandehistoria.se/fakta-...-andra-grupper

"Slaver
De slaviska folken ansågs vara underlägsna det tyska folket enligt nazismen. Trots detta var slovaker, kroater, bulgarer och en del av den ukrainska befolkningen lierad med det nazistiska Tyskland. Behandlingen som människorna fick kom därför att skilja sig åt mellan olika områden.
Mer än tre miljoner ryska krigsfångar mördades, arbetades till döds, svalt eller frös ihjäl. Höga funktionärer inom staten och kommunistiska ledare mördades också.
Nästan två miljoner icke judiska polacker mördades av nazisterna. Det polska ledarskapet skulle elimineras, folket terroriseras och den polska nationen försvinna. Polackerna skulle utgöra en arbetskraftsreserv som skulle utföra slavarbete i de otaliga fabriker och läger som tyskarna satte upp. Den polska politiska ledningen fängslades omedelbart efter att kriget brutit ut och fördes till olika läger. Många polacker sköts eller dog av hårt arbete, svält och umbäranden. Nästan två miljoner polacker arbetade under kriget som slavarbetare i Tyskland. Under den sovjetiska ockupationen 1939 – 1940 deporterades 750 000 polacker till arbetsläger i Sovjetunionen och åtminstone 15 000 fångar mördades av den sovjetiska armén".

Ur http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz

"Mellan 140 000 och 150 000 polacker internerades i Auschwitz, av dessa avled omkring 75 000".

Det bör anmärkas att både tyskarna och de västallierade var anslutna till Genevekonventionen om krigsfångars behandling och utsatta för inspektioner. Där följdes bestämmelserna väl.
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Senast redigerad av Babord 2014-09-11 kl. 20:42.
Citera
2014-09-23, 22:35
  #188
Medlem
Citat:
Ursprungligen postat av Vänlige Viktor
Så du är skeptisk?
Skönjer vi en omsvängning?

/VV

Att judar etniskt rensades och deporterades uppfyller kriterierna för folkmord enligt dagens definitioner.
Citera
2014-09-28, 11:47
  #189
Medlem
En intressant artikel gällande den judiske kommunisten och massmördaren Ilja Ehrenberg: Ilya Ehrenberg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million'.
http://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm

Ha gärna åtanken att segrarna skriver historien.
Citera

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