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Problematiken försvinner inte bara för att en SS-man hävdar att "förintel$en" inträffat, förrän han kan slå hål på problemen i fråga. Vilket han inte kan, han upprepar tröttsamt alla dumheter han hört. Undrar vilka som inte har skam i kroppen och utnyttjar en gammal och senil gubbe?
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Atlas11 länk:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1624
"He made fun of the fact that when the bodies started burning they obviously developed gases from the lungs and these bodies seemed to jump up, and the sex parts of the men suddenly became erect in a way that he found laughable."
"He watched while SS doctors first separated men from women and children, and then selected who was fit to work and who would be gassed immediately. "Sick people were lifted on to lorries. Red Cross lorries - they [the SS] always tried to create the impression that people had nothing to fear." Att SS skulle snott material från röda korset hade inte gått obemärkt förbi, men vem vet egentligen?!
"When there was a lot of ouzo," he says, "it could only come from Greece - otherwise there was no reason for us to distinguish where they came from. We drank a lot of vodka. We didn't get drunk every day - but it did happen. We'd go to bed drunk, and if someone was too lazy to turn off the light they'd shoot at it - nobody said anything."
"What an absurdity. I can just see disciplined SS men shooting at lights just so they could rebuild the lighting system the next day." - Hannover
Vidare kan man fråga sig huruvida trovärdigt hans vittnesmål är, när han å ena sidan påstår rena absurditeter å den andra hävdar att han drack sprit och lade sig packad flera nätter i rad. Alla som träffat en alkis vet att det är en för dem inofficiell nationalsport att överdriva händelser.
Se
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gr%C3%B6ning där jag klipper från det han råkade i diskussion om Förintelsen i sin frimärksklubb, många år efter den (en utmärkt googleöversättning till svenska finns men går inte att kopiera här)
"Wiews on Holocaust denial[edit] Gröning led a normal middle class life after the war.[2] A keen mecollector, he was once at his local philately club's annual meeting more than 40 years after the war, when he fell into a conversation about politics with the man next to him.[20] The man told him it was "terrible" that Holocaust denial was illegal in Germany, and went on to tell Gröning how so many bodies could not have been burnt, and that the volume of gas that was supposed to have been used would have killed all living things in the vicinity.[20]
Gröning said nothing in response to these statements,[20] replying only: "I know a little more about that, we should discuss it some time."[2] The man recommended a pamphlet by Holocaust denier Thies Christophersen.[2] Gröning obtained a copy and mailed it to Christophersen, having written his own commentary on it, which included the words:
I saw everything, the gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there.[2]
Gröning then began receiving phone calls and letters from strangers who tried to tell him Auschwitz was not actually a place for exterminating human beings in gas chambers.[20]
It became apparent that his comments condemning Holocaust denial had been printed in a neo-Nazi magazine, and that most of the anonymous calls and letters were, "From people who tried to prove that what I had seen with my own eyes, what I had experienced in Auschwitz was a big, big mistake, a big hallucination on my part because it hadn't happened."[20]
As a result of such comments, Gröning decided to speak openly about his experiences, and publicly denounce people who maintain the events he witnessed never happened.[20] He says his message to Holocaust deniers is:
I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there.[21]
He also wrote memoirs for his family,[20] consisting of 87 pages.[2]
Contemporary comments[edit]
Gröning does not consider himself guilty of any crime, pointing to the fact that he was not directly involved in the killing.[19] He describes his part in the extermination machine as an involuntary "small cog in the gears", which gave him involuntary guilt in turn.[2] Citing his summons to testify against a member of the SS accused of murdering prisoners at Auschwitz, he also says he is innocent in the eyes of the law, pointing to the fact that he spoke as a witness and not as a defendant.[2]
Although Gröning requested to leave Auschwitz after he witnessed the killing, Laurence Rees writes that this was only on the basis of its practical implementation, and that the principle of Jews being exterminated itself was not something that Gröning objected to.[1] Indeed he thought it was justified due to all the Nazi propaganda he had been subjected to, in that Germany's enemies were being destroyed,[1] which to him made the tools of their destruction (such as gas chambers) of no particular significance.[2] Because of this, he says his feelings about seeing people and knowing that they had hours to live before being gassed were "very ambiguous".[1] He explains that children were murdered because, while the children themselves were not the enemy, the danger was the blood within them, in that they could grow up to become dangerous Jews.[1] Rees points to Gröning's ultra-nationalist upbringing as indication of how he was able to justify the extermination of helpless women and children.[1] Gröning says that the horrors in the gas chambers did eventually dawn on him when he heard the screams.[22]
Rees writes that Gröning describes his time at Auschwitz as if he were talking about another Oskar Gröning at Auschwitz—and as a result, the post-war Gröning speaks more candidly about his time there by segregating the Gröning that contributed to the running of a death camp from the modern Gröning that condemns Nazi ideology.[23]
Gröning says that the screams of those in the gas chambers have never left him, and has never returned to Auschwitz because of his shame.[22] He says he feels guilt towards the Jewish people, and for being part of the organisation that committed crimes against them, despite "not having been one of the perpetrators myself".[22] He asks for God's forgiveness and forgiveness from the Jewish people.[22]
Criminal charges[edit] In September 2014, it was reported that Oskar Gröning had been charged by German prosecutors as an accessory to 300,000 murders as a consequence of his role at the Auschwitz extermination camp. The prosecutors assert that irrespective of his actual participation in any killings, he was a willing cog in the machinery of mass murder. Gröning's prosecution has been reported as being part of a final effort by German officials to bring to account those who actively supported the Nazi campaign of genocide against Jews and other minority groups.[24][25][26]"
