Udda länk Är detta barnporr?

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Att känna attracktion till en icke förtil individ är heltenkelt en psykisksjukdom, det är lika alvarligt som att dra sig till individer av samma kön. Den fundamentala skillnaden mellan dessa två ting är att barnet ifråga inte har rätt (svensklagstiftning) att bestämma över sig själv och kan därför inte älska någon person i den mening som en pedofil vill tro. Barnen ifråga (och barn som allmänt) lider alltid av bristande emotionell erfarenhet och vet därför inte hur de ska reagera när någon söker sig till ett sexuellt närmande. Det är just detta som leder till att barn alltid är utnytjade i sådanna situationer även om, de själva skulle påstå motsattsen.

Att pedofiler inte är lika accepterade som homofiler i de svenska samhället beror först och främst på föräldra instingten hos människan. Föräldrar vill inte att deras barn skall bli utnyttjade av en psykisktsjuk människa, där av detta hat.

Men det är klart skulle individen ifråga vara fertil så upphör det hela att vara pedofili.

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Det förstod man från början att du jobbar med barn :mad:

Så du menar att de 8-9-10-åriga flickor som blivit gravida, och i vissa fall fött barnet, inte kunnat bli utsatta för pedofili? Vad har det då varit när barnafadern varit vuxen - jungfrufödsel

Låter inte så dumt faktiskt och det håller ju sig till naturens egna regler.

Lite nyheter från Nya Zeeland där en 12-års gräns disskuteras.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/sundays...9a6005,00.html

Bra att Nya Zeeland gör det enda rätta, 12 åringar skall ju få ha sex med barn i dess egen ålder, allt annat är ju absurt.

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Sen lite goda nyheter från England :

JUDGE LETS OFF SEX ABUSER THEN BLAMES VICTIM

May 30 2004

He wants to name girls

By Damien Fletcher


A JUDGE let a child-sex abuser off jail - then BLAMED his three schoolgirl victims for egging him on.

Amazingly, Judge Christopher Ball QC said he even considered naming and shaming the youngsters to warn other men not to be lured by THEM.

Vile pervert Nicholas Caley, 43, admitted having unlawful sex with a girl of 14 and indecently assaulting two 15-year-olds.

But Judge Ball allowed him to walk free, saying all the girls were sexually provocative, precocious and promiscuous and agreed to what happened.

The comments from the judge - father of two daughters - sparked outrage among anti-abuse campaigners.

TV star Esther Rantzen, head of the ChildLine charity, told The People: "I sometimes wonder what world judges inhabit.

"What he said would be extraordinarily hurtful to the children and their families and displays a lack of understanding of children and paedophiles."

Michele Elliot, director of Kidscape, a charity which helps bullied youngsters, added: "Anyone hearing this would think the judge seems more concerned to protect paedophiles than children."

Caley, a former fireman from Braintree, Essex, could have got 14 years in jail for under-age sex and 10 years for each indecent assault.

But at Chelmsford Crown Court last week Judge Ball gave him a three-year rehabilitation order and two-year punishment order. He also put him on the sex offenders register for five years. The 54-year-old judge told him: "These three young girls instigated this episode. They were drunk.

"They were provocative in engaging you in sexually titillating talk, advancing to sexual activity which was completely consensual and indicative of a degree of sexual precociousness and promiscuity."

Judge Ball went on: "I have considered whether they should be named so other men in the vicinity are alert to the possible dangers of engaging in any form of social activity with these girls."

But he decided "with regret" not to identify them. "Even if they are their own worst enemies, they have to be protected from themselves," he explained.

Esther Rantzen said the judge's comments "send out the worst message that the English legal system is as out of touch as it ever was".

Elizabeth Frank, of the Children's Legal Centre, said: "This is a prehistoric attitude. If he had named the girls they could have been targeted."

An NSPCC spokesman said: "Sexual abuse should never appear to be condoned by judges."

Judge Ball, who has been on the bench for three years, criticised a local newspaper last year for naming a paedophile.

He told The People: "I'm unable to speak to you about the details of any particular case I deal with."

Voice of The People: Page 8



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Viktoria, jag skulle rubricera det som Sexuellt utnyttjande av barn, alternativt våldtäckt av barn, men det kanske hör till en annan diskussion.

Likväl är väl mannen pedofil, eller?

Det Pluxor talar om när han använder orden 'samtyckande sex' beskriver bara att mer subtila påtryckningsmedel än våld har använts när förövaren har förfört barnet.

Det är riktigt att långt ifrån alla pedofiler använder våld när de utför gränsöverskridande sexuella handlingar mot barn. Kränkande och mycket allvarligt är det naturligtvis ändå. Man ska inte inbilla sig annat än att en för tidig introduktion till ett sexliv motsvarande det vuxna jämbördiga personer har till och med varandra blir ett trauma som försvårar barns rätt att bli hela och på alla plan välfungerande vuxna.

Inte sällan är det så att perversioner av det slag som pedofili är uppstår till följd av att förövaren själv blivit förnekad symbios utan utnyttjande av sina föräldrar (främst mamman under den tidigaste fasen av utvecklingen). Det finns många variationer när det gäller förövarna - dock är det väldigt många av dem som har en liknande historia vad gäller bakgrunden och uppväxten.

Pedofilen misslyckas med att få till stånd en relation med en jämbördig partner och måste därför vända sig till barn, egna eller andras, för att stilla sin längtan efter att själv vara ett älskat barn.

Den perverse bär på en ångest som är knuten till personens egen libidinösa utveckling. Förenklat kan man säga att när en sådan person begår övergrepp så lättar tillfälligt ångesten och identiteten hos förövaren stärks.

Att bota en person med en störning likt den Pluxor uppvisar är en mycket lång process och låter sig inte ens i samtliga fall göras. Det är mycket vanligt att personer med samma perversion som Pluxor har också resonerar som han gör. De är blinda för den skada de gör därför att de sätter sina egna behov främst. De ser sig själva så som varande de lämpligaste att bedöma sina gärningar - och aldrig är deras handlingar skadliga utan bara kärleksfulla. De nätverk som pedofiler inte sällan bygger upp stärker dem också i deras övertygelse om att de är de enda som verkligen ger barnen vad de tror att barn behöver. De skapar acceptans för sina handlingar genom att samtala med likar.

Att Pluxor diskuterar sin pedofila läggning här där det ju finns många meningmotståndare och debattörer på plats för att bemöta hans inlägg och perversion kan tyckas förbryllande. Kanske gör han det för att det också finns en upphetsning i själva planerandet? I själva diskussionen? Kanske upplever Pluxor sig vara suverän och överlägsen i diskussionen som förs här och kanske tilltalar det hans makt och kontrollbehov? Precis som hans förhållanden till barn med säkerhet gör. Antagligen så ger också hans risktaganden (jobbar i skola - relationer till elever) honom en stark sexuell spänningskänsla.

Perversioner är alltid bara högst tillfälliga lösningar på en svår inre problematik. Perversitet är alltid en fientlig handling. Övergrepp och gränsöverskridande handlingar är alltid handlingar sprungna ur aggression - det spelar ingen roll om förövaren är en, till det yttre välfungerande, framgångsrik, omtänksam, emaptisk och vältalig människa - bakom fasaden finns alltid någon som inte själv har respekterats i någon av barnets så viktiga utvecklingsfaser. Någon som idag försöker ställa sina egna problem tillrätta genom att spela upp dem på de scener som små barns kroppar och sinnen får utgöra.

Tragiskt.