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2004-04-30, 22:13
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i den japanska kulturen fostras en soldat till att vilja dö. att dö för sitt land är en ära man knappt kan vänta på......
*snip*
......du förstår, religiös fanatism i krig tar fram ganska mycket onda sidor hos människor.
Vad är skillnaden?
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2004-04-30, 22:14
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2004-04-30, 22:21
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2004-04-30, 22:24
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Kan man hitta den på nätet??

Den riktiga talmud kan man inte hitta på nätet nej, endast en jude (en som har en judisk mor och är erkänd av de ortodoxa judarna) får ta del av talmud.

Här är några citat från talmud som har läckt ut. Lägg märke till citat nr 7.

1. "We beg Thee, O Lord, inflict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee. Take away, O Lord, all hope from them. Destroy all foes of Thy nation (Jewry)." (Synagogue Judica, p.212; Minhagen, p.23; Orach Chaim, 480.)

2 "The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the laws of Moses." - Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.

3. "The decisions of the TALMUD are the words of the living G-d, Jehova Himself, asks the opinion of the earthly Rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven." - Rabbi Menachem Commentary on Fifth Book.

4. "Jehovah Himself studies the Talmud, standing, He such respect for that book." Tract Mechilla.

5. "It is more wicked to question the words of the Rabbis than those of the Torah (Moses' words)." Michna Sanhedryn 11:3.

6. "It is forbidden to disclose the secrets of the law. He who would do it would be as guilty as though he destroyed the whole world." Jektut Chadaz, 171, 3.


7. "Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die." Sanhedryn, 59a; Aboda Zora 8-6; Szagiga 13.

8. "To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." Libbre David 37.

9. "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order should be put to death." Bibbre David, 37.

10. "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them." Staaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17.

11. "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts." Baba Mechia 114, 6.

12. "When the Messiah comes, every Jew will have 288 slaves." Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D.

13. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts.

The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L.

14."As soon as the King Messiah will declare Himself, He will destroy Rome and make a wilderness of it. Thorns and weeds will grow in the Pope's palace. Then He will start a merciless war on non-Jews and will overpower them. He will slay them in masses, kill their kings and lay waste the whole Roman land. He will say to the Jews: 'I am the King Messiah for whom you have been waiting. Take the silver and the gold from the goyim." Josiah 60, 6, Rabbi Abarbanel to Daniel 7, 13.

15. "A Gentile girl who is three years old may be violated." Aboda Zarah 37a.

16."A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl." Gad, Shas. 3:2, 7.

17. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." Nadarine, 20-B; Scgulchan Aruch; Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

18."A Jew may misuse the non-Jewess in her state of unbelief." Maimonides, Jak. Chasaka, 2:2.

19."If a goy kills a goy or a Jew he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy he is not responsible." Tosefta. Abodab Zara 8, 5.

20. "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces." Schuchan Aruch; Choszen Hamiszpat 388.

21. "Thou shalt not do injury to your neighbor, but it is not said, 'Thou shalt not do injury to a goy." Mishna Sanhedryn 57.

22. "When you go to war, do not go as the first, so that you may return as the first. Five things has Kannan recommended to his sons: 'Love each other; love the robbery; hate your masters; and never tell the truth' Pesachim F. 113-B.

23. "A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself; but he must take care that he is not found out, so that Israel may not suffer." Schuichan Aruch, Jore Dia.

24."A Jew may rob a goy - that is, he may cheat him in a bill, if unlikely to be perceived by him." Schulchan ARUCH, Choszen Hamiszpat 28, Art. 3 and 4.

25. If a goy wants a Jew to stand witness against a Jew in a court of law and if the Jew could give fair evidence, he is forbidden to do it; but if a Jew wants a Jew for a witness in a similar case, he may do it." Schuichan Aruch, Choszen Ramiszpat 28, Art. 3 and 4.

26. "Those who do not confess the Torah and the Prophets must be killed. Who has the power to kill them, let them kill them openly, with the sword. If not, let them use artifices, till they are done away with." Schuichan Aruch, Choszen flamiszpat 424, 5.

27. "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general." Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

28. "Should a Jew inform the goyish authorities that another Jew has much money, and the other will suffer loss through it, he must give him remuneration." (Schuichan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat.

29. "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob or taken women slaves, etc. from a goy or a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy." Tosefta, Abada Zara VIII, 5.

30. "On the house of the goy one looks on as on the fold of cattle." Tosefta, Erubin VII, 1.

31. "All vows, oaths, promises, engagements, and swearing, which beginning this day of reconciliation til the next day of reconciliation (one year) we intend to vow, promise, swear, and bind ourselves to fulfill, we repent of beforehand; let them be illegalized, acquitted, annihilated, abolished, valueless, unimportant. Our vows shall be no vows, and our oaths no oaths at all." Schulc,han Aruch, Edit. I, 136.

(This is known as the KOL NIDRE (All Oaths) OATH. It is sung as a chant each Yom Kippur, Jewish New Year Service (Sept. 17] and absolves a Jew from any promises he makes during the year." How can one trust a Jewish judge, or a Jewish politician, who takes an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States, when we KNOW he takes this religious oath which allows him to break his promise to the American people?)

32. "Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this manufacture must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings." Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39; Talmud Jebomoth 61.

33. "A Jewish midwife is not only permitted, but she is compelled to help a Jewish mother on Saturday (the Jewish Sabbath), and when so doing to do anything which would otherwise desecrate the Sabbath. But it is forbidden to help a non-Jewish woman even if it should be possible to help her without desecrating the Sabbath, because she is to be considered only as an animal." Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 330.

34. "At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of business is forbidden. But it is permitted to cheat a goy, because cheating of a goyim at any time pleases the Lord." Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 539.

35."The Jews are strictly forbidden to cheat their brothers and it is considered cheating already if one-sixth of the value has been taken away from him. Whosoever has cheated his brother has to return it to him. Naturally, all that only holds towards the Jew, to cheat a goy he is permitted and he is not permitted to return to him what he has cheated him out of. Because the Bible says: "Thou shalt not cheat thy next brother, but the non-Jews are not our brethren, but as mentioned before, are worse than dogs." Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 227.

Källa: http://christianparty.net/talmudbenfranklin.htm
Lägg märke till att det inte är nazistisk källa, det är goda kristna som driver hemsidan.

längre ner på sidan kan man se några citat av Benjamin Franklin, en utbildad man som grundade den amerikanska konstutitionen. En konstition som grundades för frihet, människans lika värde, religionsfrihet, ändå föraktade denna man judarna.
Citera
2004-04-30, 22:31
  #29
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det som verkar svårast att begripa för en del är att staten israel är en sekulär demokrati.
(alltså inte en präststat som t.ex. iran eller vatikanen.)

Vet inte riktigt om jag kan hålla med dig där. Visserligen heter det att landet är en sekulär demokrati - men det inser den som är lite insatt att det varken rör sig om sekularism eller en demokratisk författning. Judendomen är insprängd i landets politik - därav kontroversen med den arabiska befolkningen. Landets politiker hävdar trots allt att Israel lovades till judarna av Gud.

Att behandla en stor del av befolkningen (araberna) som djur, inspärrade från omvärlden, inte tillåta dem röra sig fritt, arbeta fritt... knappast en demokrati.
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2004-04-30, 22:34
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2004-04-30, 22:36
  #31
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jag begriper inte vad du vill ha sagt?

Då är du korkad.
Citera
2004-04-30, 22:39
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2004-04-30, 22:41
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2004-04-30, 22:47
  #34
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f.ö. undar jag, vet du hur syrierna behandlar sina palestinier?
eller jordanierna?
eller kanske egyptierna?

där kan man ju snacka om verklig rasism.
men det är klart, man kan ju klanka på israel.
de andra länderna jag räknade upp är ju så mycket mer demokratiska.

Ja, visserligen. Men det var DU som utmålade Israel som en demokrati. Med ovanstående inlägg så försöker du förklara orättvisor med att peka på andra orättvisor. Till vilken nytta?

Anledningen till att arabvärlden så ivrigt förespråkar ett Palestina är att dom inte vill ha de palestinska flyktingarna i sina egna länder. Allt annat är floskler för kulisserna.

Vill du snacka orättvisor ska du se på kurderna. Dom har haft det svårt.
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2004-04-30, 22:49
  #35
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mmm. brukar heta så när man inte har något att komma med...

mmm. håller med
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2004-04-30, 22:53
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