[WW2] - Die Einsatzgruppen

På allmän begäran en tråd om de enheter som fick i uppdrag att arkebusera partisaner, judar och politiska fiender på erövrat sovjetiskt territorium 1941.

Några länkar:

http://veritas3.holocaust-history.org/intro-einsatz/

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...insatztoc.html

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/deathsquads/

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/ei...index_page.htm

http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/12.html

http://www.ai.ee/users/revisjon/zyndel/z4.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/19...hapter/19.html

Här är två länkar till, Ukrainska dessutom:

http://ukar.org/shapov01.html

http://ukar.org/mclell07.html

Har dock ej hunnit gå igenom dem!

En artikel av Germar Rudolf och Sibylle Schröder om Die Einsatzgruppen, från revisionistisk eller kanske snarare realistisk ståndpunkt; i den större "förintelsetråden" som just nu är aktiv på forumet var det någon som bestämt hävdade att även detta nog endast rörde sig om att utrota judar, "men en eller annan partisan slank väl också med" . De anti-tyska partisanerna uppgav vid krigsslutet att de lyckats döda 500.000 tyska soldater, men det är ingen siffra jag på något vis kan bekräfta som säker, det måste studeras. Die Einsatzgruppen sköt som synes i artikeln ofta civil gisslan som vedergällning för attentat mot tyska soldater:

http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/RudolfS...er321-330.html

Att tyskarna avrättade nära 34.000 judar i ravinen Babi Yar utanför Kiev i slutet av september 1941, som vedergällning för omfattande sprängattentat som krävde många tyska soldaters liv under föregående dagar, ansågs länge vara en oomtvistlig historisk sanning. Men vad hände egentligen, och varför har inte platsen undersökts efter kriget för att verifiera massakern? Stora differenser i totala antalet skjutna i Babi Yarravinen förekommer från ortodoxt håll, 100.000, 250.000, säkert även andra siffror (då anses även icke-judar ha dödats där). 100.000 judar påstås i någon ortodox källa jag såg ha flytt österut från Kiev före den tyska ockupationen. Hur som helst är det ett intressant ämne att begrunda. Nedan några länkar: citatet är introduktionen till Herbert Tiedemanns essä i en volym med titeln Dissecting the Holocaust som finns för gratis nedladdning på den första länken. Därunder ännu en revisionistisk artikel, och två beskrivningar av händelserna från "officiell historisk" och sionistisk synvinkel.:

http://vho.org/dl/ (skriv in "visitor" och "download" efter att ni klickat)

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

http://www.zchor.org/BABIYAR.HTM

http://www.wzo.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=1517

"Babi Yar: Critical Questions and Comments

HERBERT TIEDEMANN

"Courage means seeking the truth and proclaiming it!"

Jean Jaurés

1. Preamble

The subject of 'Babi Yar' is confusing in many respects. For a general overview, this brief summary shall therefore identify the major problem areas:

The mass murder at Babi Yar took place almost four months prior to the Wannsee Conference, where the killing was allegedly first planned.
Widely divergent dates are given for the murder.
Depending on the source, the number of victims varies by as much as two orders of magnitude.
Widely different methods and weapons are alleged for the murders.
There is also no consensus on where the killings took place.
The witnesses, or reports respectively, make highly contradictory claims in other respects as well.
The number of alleged victims by far exceeds the number of Jews remaining in Kyiv after the Soviet evacuation.
To date there has been no forensic investigation of the murder site and weapons. No attempts were ever made to ascertain and secure any evidence.
It is also odd that the Soviets would use a site as a location for a garbage dump and incineration area where countless victims were allegedly murdered by the archenemy during the 'Great Patriotic War'.
And finally, the allegations are disproved by wartime air photos.
We shall employ standard scientific methodology to examine the issues briefly touched on above. Following some introductory information for a better general understanding of the topic, individual sections will present the first reports, eyewitness accounts, and other sources, and will discuss specific questions that arise in context. A separate section is devoted to general questions.[1]---"

När jag läste lite som hastigast, som såg jag detta i följande länk: http://www.zchor.org/BABIYAR.HTM

"On September 26, the Germans held a meeting at which it was decided that in retaliation for the attacks on the German-held installations, the Jews of Kiev would all be put to death."

Fanns ingen källa till det påståendet, men från det tolkar man ju att det var en hämndaktion, och inte en del i ett förintelseprogram att döda alla judar. Då hade ju mötet varit onödigt, och man hade mördat judarna iaf. Hämndaktioner var ju snarare regel än undatag på östfronten.

Samtidigt verkar NKVD varit inblandade i detta. Då lyser ju varningslamporna hos varje person med kritiskt öga. Det pågick ett propaganda krig mellan Tyskland och Ryssland, och att de skulle överdriva en sån här händelse förvånar inte mig. Deras trovärdighet är ungefär vad man kan få ut av vad fångar "erkänner" efter förhör med Gestapo.

Intressant dock, får fördjupa mig lite mer i Einsatzgruppen, då mina nuvarande kunskaper ligger mer i de enskilda slagen som utkämpandes.

Den officiellt sanktionerade historien om Babi Yar i ett par olika varianter:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...t/babiyar.html

"---The Jews in their thousands, with such pathetic belongings as they could carry, were herded into barbed-wire areas at the top of the ravine, guarded by Ukrainian collaborators. There they were stripped of their clothes and beaten, then led in irregular squads down the side of the ravine. The first groups were forced to lie on the ground, face down, and were machine-gunned by the Germans who kept up a steady volley.

The riddled bodies were covered with thin layers of earth and the next groups were ordered to lie over them, to be similarly despatched. To carry out the murder of 34,000 human beings in the space of two days could not assure that all the victims had died. Hence there were a few who survived and, though badly wounded, managed to crawl from under the corpses and seek a hiding place.

After the main massacre, the site was converted into a more permanent camp to which thousands of victims from other parts of the Ukraine could be sent for extermination. It became known as the Syrets camp, taking its name from a nearby Kiew neighborhood. Several hundred selected prisoners were quartered there -- carpenters, showmakers, tailors, and other artisans — to serve the needs of the SS men and the Ukrainian guards. They were usually killed within a few weeks and replaced by others who continued their duties. In charge of the administration and ultimate killing was Paul von Radomski, who seemed to crave a reputation for outdoing his sadist colleagues in other camps.---"


http://www.zchor.org/BABIYAR.HTM

"BABI YAR, ravine, situated in the northwestern part of Kiev, where the Jews of the Ukrainian capital were systematically massacred. At the southern end of the ravine were two cemeteries, one of which was Jewish.

Kiev was captured by the Twenty-ninth Corps and the Sixth German Army on September 19, 1941. Of its Jewish population of 160,000, some 100,000 had managed to flee before the Germans took the city. Shortly after the German takeover, from September 24 to 28, a considerable number of buildings the city center, which were being used by German military administration and the army, were blown up; many Germans (as well as local inhabitants) were killed in the explosions. After the war, it was learned that the sabotage operation had been the work of NKVD (Soviet security police) detachment that had been left behind in the city for that purpose.

On September 26, the Germans held a meeting at which it was decided that in retaliation for the attacks on the German-held installations, the Jews of Kiev would all be put to death. Participating in the meeting were the military governor, Maj. Gen. Friedrich Georg Eberhardt; the Higher SS and Police Leader at Rear Headquarters Army Group South, SS Obergruppenfuhrer Friedrich JECKELN; the officer commanding Einsatzgruppe C, SS-Brigadefuhrer Dr. Otto RASCH; and the officer commanding Sonderkommando 4a, SS-Standartenfuhrer Paul BLOBEL.

The implementation of the decision to kill all the Jews of Kiev was entrusted to Sonderkommando 4a. This unit consisted of SD (Sicherheitsdienst; Security Service) and Sicherheitspolizei (Security Police; Sipo) men; the third company of the Special Duties Waffen-SS battalion; and a platoon of the No. 9 police battalion. The unit was reinforced by police battalions Nos. 45 and 305 and by units of the Ukrainian auxiliary police.

On September 28, notices were posted in the city ordering the Jews to appear the following morning, September 29, at 8:00 a.m. at the corner of Melnik and Dekhtyarev streets; they were being assembled there, so the notice said, for their resettlement in new locations. (The text had been prepared by Propaganda Company No.637 and the notices had been printed by the Sixth Army printing press.)

The next morning, masses of Jews reported at the appointed spot. They were directed to proceed along Melnik Street toward the Jewish cemetery and into an area comprising the cemetery itself and a part of the Babi Yar ravine. The area was cordoned off by a barbed-wire fence and guarded by Sonderkommando police and Waffen-SS men, a well as by Ukrainian policemen. As the Jews approached the ravine, they were forced to hand over all the valuables in their possession, to take off all their clothes, and to advance toward the ravine edge, in groups of ten. When they reached the edge, they were gunned down by automatic fire. The shooting was done by several squads of SD and Sipo personnel, police, and Waffen-SS men of the Sonderkommando unit, the squads relieving one another every few hours. When the day ended, the bodies were covered with a thin layer of soil. According to official reports of the Einsatzgruppe, in two days of shooting (September 29 and 30), 33,771 Jews were murdered.

In the months that followed, many more thousands of Jews were seized, taken to Babi Yar, and shot. Among the general population there were some who helped Jews go into hiding, but there were also a significant number who informed on them to the Germans and gave them up. After the war, the officer in charge of the Sipo and SD bureau testified that his Kiev office received so many letters from the Ukrainian population informing on Jews - "by the bushel" - that the office could not deal with them all, for lack of manpower. Evidence of betrayal of Jews by the Kiev population was also given by Jewish survivors and by the Soviet writer Anatoly Kuznetsov.

Babi Yar served as a slaughterhouse for non-Jews as well, such as GYPSIES and Soviet prisoners of war. According to the estimate given by the Soviet research commission on Nazi crimes, 100,000 persons were murdered at Babi Yar.

In July 1943, by which time the Red Army was on the advance, Paul Blobel came back to Kiev. He was now on a new assignment, in coordination with SS-Gruppenfuhrer Dr. Max Thomas, the officer commanding the SD and Sipo in the Ukraine: that of erasing all evidence of the mass carnage that the Nazis had perpetrated. For this purpose, Blobel formed two special groups, identified by the code number 1005. Unit 1005-A was made up of eight to ten SD men and thirty German policemen, and was under the command of an SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer named Baumann. In mid-August the unit embarked on its task of exhuming the corpses in Babi Yar and cremating them. The ghastly job itself was carried out by inmates of a nearby concentration camp (Syretsk), from which the Germans brought in 327 men, of whom 100 were Jews. The prisoners were housed in a bunker carved out from the ravine wall; it had an iron gate that was locked during the night and was watched by a guard w! ith a machine gun. They had chains bolted to their legs, and those who fell ill or lagged behind were shot on the spot. The mass graves were opened up by bulldozers, and it was the prisoners' job to drag the corpses to cremation pyres, which consisted of wooden logs doused in gasoline on a base of railroad ties. The bones that did not respond to incineration were crushed, for which purpose the Nazis brought in tombstones from the Jewish cemetery. The ashes were sifted to retrieve any gold or silver they might have contained. Cremation of the corpses began on August 18 and went on for six weeks, ending on September 19, 1943. The Nazis did their job thoroughly, and when they were through no trace was left of the mass graves.

On the morning of September 29, the prisoners learned that they were about to be put to death. They already had a plan for escape, and resolved to put it into effect the same night. Shortly after midnight, under cover of darkness and the fog that enveloped the ravine, twenty-five prisoners broke out. Fifteen succeeded in making their escape; the others were shot during the attempt or on the following morning.---"


http://www.brandeis.edu/gsa/gradjour...iterer2004.pdf

Highlights från Tiedemanns Babi Yaranalys länkad till ovan, som bör läsas i sin helhet. Inga fysiska bevis för massakern finns, inte ens några försök att skaffa fram sådana bevis för massmordet har gjorts. Det som finns är en handfull motsägelsefulla och tvivelaktiga vittnesmål och ett dokument som kan vara förfalskat. Tiedemann är skoningslös i sitt sätt att ställa frågor, men det kanske behövs för att bringa någon reda i problemet. En grundlig forensisk undersökning skulle förstås ha gjorts redan på 40-talet:

"---The taking of Kyiv by the Germans on September 19, 1941, by no means heralded the end of unrest for this city. Kyiv had hardly been occupied when "tremendous explosions occurred one after another."[2] On September 24, the Hotel Continental was blown up, along with the Headquarters of the rear area of the 6th Army. On September 25 a conflagration of the downtown area of Kyiv, Khreshchatyk, continued to spread. Mines had destroyed almost all public buildings - after the German troops had moved in, and many died. By the end of September a Soviet map for setting of delayed action mines had been found which showed about 50 objects readied for radio detonation. In addition, an enormous quantity of mines, explosives and 'Molotov Cocktails' had also been discovered. Most of the city center had burned down and some 50,000 persons were homeless. Hundreds of German soldiers had been killed fighting the fires. Many organized saboteurs and partisans were left behind in the city abandoned by the Soviets; Kyiv was still a battlefield.---"

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According to Orlow,[13] other witnesses said that Germans "dashed the little ones against the rock".
Anyone who reads the Bible attentively will find that Holocaust tales are nothing new to the Jews (Genesis 6, Genesis 19:24, Exodus 11, Joshua 6, Matthew 2:16). Furthermore, pious people in particular draw inspiration from scripture. Psalms 137:9:

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

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In 1963 Nikita Khrushchev sharply criticized the literary champions of "Jewish martyrdom", especially Yevgeny Yevtushenko, who had drawn notice the year before with his poem Babi Yar:[53]
"I urge Comrade Yevtushenko and other young literati to appreciate the trust of the majority [of the people], not to seek cheap sensationalism [and] not to pander to the mood and tastes of the Philistines. Do not be ashamed, Comrade Yevtushenko, to admit your mistakes. [...]

When the enemies of our Cause begin to praise you for pleasing tales, then the people will criticize you, and rightly so."

The cause for Khrushchev's reference to "propitious tales" was Yevtushenko's readings of his poem Babi Yar. Khrushchev's blunt words weigh very heavily, for several reasons:

Would Khrushchev have used the term "cheap sensationalism" if the hated enemy from the 'Great Patriotic War' had in fact murdered thousands of Soviet citizens at Babi Yar? Would he then have cautioned Yevtushenko against "pander[ing] to the mood and the tastes of the Philistines"?
Would Khrushchev then have admonished against "pleasing tales"?
In his capacity as Head of the Soviet Communist Party and General Secretary of the Ukrainian Communist Party, Khrushchev on June 24, 1941, ordered the liquidation of the political prisoners in Lvov (Lemberg). The NKVD then began with the mass murders in the prisons of Lemberg and other places in the western Ukraine. The Soviets also laid the blame for these massacres at the Germans' door. Khrushchev knew exactly who had done the murdering and who it was who had suffered!
Furthermore, Khrushchev, a Ukrainian, knew very well that the minorities predominating in the economy and in industry, research, teaching and politics in the Ukraine - in other words, the Greater Russians and especially the Jews - had been given priority in the evacuation. He knew the evacuation rates of the Jews, for example Minsk 94%, Šitomir 88%, Novograd-Volynskij 90%, Poltava 96%, Černigov 97%, Zdanov 100%, and Taganrog 100%. For Vinnica, Kyiv and Uman it was about 80%:[54],[55],[56],[57],[58]
"In Kyiv practically the entire Jewish youth had left the city with the Red Army. Only older people remained."[54]

In its entry "Babi Yar" the Encyclopaedia Judaica (Jerusalem, 1972) devotes 92% of its entry space (21.65 inches of text) to Yevtushenko's poem, but only 8% (1.8 inches of text) for an account of the massacre.[13] The encyclopedia claims that 100,000 died in Babi Yar, 33,771 of them in the last days of September.
Could the Encyclopaedia Judaica not come up with any better evidence than a poem?

The Encyclopedia of Ukraine,[61] published in Toronto in 1988, states that only 3,000 Jews were executed in September, and gives their total number as "more than 150,000".

The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust[5] (New York, 1990) alleges a wide range of things, which for reasons of space we shall discuss in table form:

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust: Critical Comments:

Not until after the war did it turn out that the blasting in Kyiv had been carried out by units of the NKVD which had remained behind. The information regarding the blasting is false.[62]

On September 26 the Germans decided to kill all the Kyiv Jews as retaliatory measure. Where is some conclusive evidence for such a German decision of September 26?

SS-Standartenführer Blobel attended this meeting. How does this claim agree with the fact that Blobel was off duty at the time, due to his head injury of September 24?[63]

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An area including the Jewish Cemetery and part of the ravine was fenced in with barbed wire and guarded by a special commando of police, Waffen-SS and Ukrainian police. What/who is the source for the information that the Jewish Cemetery and part of the ravine were fenced in with barbed wire? Waffen-SS? Ukrainian policemen?

Outside the ravine the Jews had to hand over their valuables, to undress entirely, and then to go to the upper edge of the ravine in groups of 10. Groups of 10 would mean 3,377 groups. Even allowing only 5 minutes per group, this would still take 281 hours, or 24 days when working 12 hours a day.

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In the following months, thousands more Jews were captured and shot in Babi Yar. If some 80% of the approximately 160,000 Jews - i.e., 128,000 - had been evacuated, then how could 33,771 be murdered on September 29 and 30 and thousands more in the following months? Where did the enormous number of bullets and cartridges go?

Some of the Kyiv inhabitants helped the Jews disappear.But the Ukrainians of Kyiv denounced Jews in such numbers that the short-staffed SIPO and Security Service could not process all the letters that arrived by the laundry-basketfull.[39]
Given the local support for the Jews, how can one also explain letters of denunciation by the laundry-basketfull? And how the short-staffing?

According to Soviet researches, 100,000 people were murdered in Babi Yar, including gypsies and Soviet prisoners-of-war. What documents are there to prove the total of 100,000? Does the claim that in Babi Yar also prisoners-of-war were murdered not make Khrushchev's criticism of Stalin even more significant?

As of mid-August 1943 the graves were opened with bulldozers, but the bodies were transported by fettered inmates, among them 100 Jews. Did the Germans have bulldozers? Is this sort of equipment used in a narrow ravine?
Do the air photos give any indication of such activities? Why bulldozers, if the main part of the work had to be done by slaves in chains? Where did the 100 Jews come from?"

"The bodies were burned on a base of railroad tracks and on pyres of tree trunks, for which purpose they were doused with gasoline. Where did the enormous quantities of railroad tracks and firewood come from, especially in view of the advancing Russian front? Whence the gasoline, which was not even in adequate supply for tanks and the Luftwaffe?

The bones were crushed on gravestones from the Jewish Cemetery. Gravestones for crushing bones? Evidence?

The cremation lasted from August 18 to September 19, 1943.
The ashes were screened and sifted in order to retrieve all of the gold and silver. How long would it take to screen and sift all the ashes, along with everything that had become mixed with them?
To where did the gravestones and the ashes go?

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Jews were not mentioned as victims in the inscription on the memorial erected in 1974. Modified in 1991, the inscription now also commemorates the Jews (German edition).
Why did the first inscription withhold the information that there were Jews among the victims?

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About two weeks after the recapture of Kyiv in late 1943, the western journalists who had been invited[21] Were told that six weeks earlier the Germans had finished the blasting, exhumation and open-air incineration of 70,000 bodies, the crushing of the unburned bones and the bulldozing of the material into the ravine.

What happened to the difference of 30,000 bodies, and where are all the witnesses for these blazing fires, for the clouds of smoke and the infernal stench? It ought to have been an easy matter for the Soviets to procure evidence and witnesses to prove all these claims to the journalists - or perhaps not? Why did the physical evidence fail to impress the journalists?

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On February 18, 1946, the Soviet prosecutor Smirnov declared at the IMT:[68]
"In Kyiv, over 195,000 Soviet citizens were tortured to death, shot, and poisoned in the gas vans, as follows:

(1) In Baybe-yar, over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people."

How does this version agree with the various eyewitness testimony?
Did the Communist regime concoct these claims in order to blame its own mass murders on the Germans?
The approximately 10,000 Ukrainians who were murdered in Vinnica by the Soviets via bullets to the neck and then thrown into mass graves[69] come to mind, as do other massacres.

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On October 6, 1991, on the occasion of a night-time commemoration at Babi Yar, a middle-aged orthodox Jew told Ukrainian Television in Kyiv:[81]
"150,000 Jews were massacred by the Germans in two days, with the active participation of a minority of Ukrainians from Kyiv and the passive cooperation of the majority."

Where does he get his figure of 150,000 murdered?

Vladimir Posner, an American-born Jewish NKVD collaborator, claimed that 200,000 were murdered.[82]
Evidence?

On April 23, 1990, Vitaly Korotych, a Ukrainian NKVD and KGB collaborator, claimed that there had been 300,000 victims at Babi Yar.[83]
How did Korotych come up with this figure?

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Readers of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia of 1950 will search in vain for an entry for Babi Yar.[87] The 1970 edition claims 50,000 to 70,000 victims.[88]
Isn't it surprising that the mighty encyclopedia of 1950 forgot about Babi Yar even though 'Smirnov & Co.' had testified to the most gruesome things about it only a few years earlier, in Nuremberg?

The 1955 and 1971 editions of the Ukrainian encyclopedias are unaware of Babi Yar.[89],[90]

The following important encyclopedias do not mention (are not aware of) Babi Yar:
Grand Larousse Encyclopédique, Paris, 1960;[91]
Brockhaus, 1967;[92]
Enciclopedia Europea, Rome, 1976;[93]
Enciclopedia Universal Nautea, Madrid, 1977;[94]
Encyclopedia Britannica, 1945 to 1984 editions;[95]
Academic American Encyclopedia, 1991;[96]

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6.5. Logistic and Organizational Questions

Shooting 33,771 or even far more people within two days and then removing all traces of the deed (which is impossible anyhow, with the investigative means available today!) would require superb organization and logistics. Some aspects thereof were discussed in the context of specific issues, and for reasons of space constraints we shall have to leave it at that.

We would stress, however, that these problems would have been unmanageable under extreme conditions such as prevailed right after the taking of Kyiv, with fires, blasting and partisan activity on the one hand and the continuing battles at the front, with their concomitant demand for human and material resources, and in autumn of 1943 in the face of the advancing deadly front of the Soviet army.

6.6. Securing Evidence

Why did no one ever try to secure any evidence in order to prove the murders?

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But in the case of Babi Yar, witnesses and allegations (and from Stalin's glorious days, no less!) are blindly given full credence even though they contradict each other and claim the silliest impossibilities.

Why does no one bother to lift a finger in this instance, to secure bodies and remains, residue, murder weapons etc., even though countless victims are at issue? Is such conduct by the authorities responsible in keeping with the binding international legal guidelines?

It is clearly not necessary to specify which questions a high-ranking, disinterested, international and incorruptible committee of experts would have to examine in order to arrive at a relevant forensic assessment!

But the incriminating documents must also be examined very critically, not least of all because they too are rendered questionable by the evidence contained in the air photos.[16] The so-called Gerstein Report,[112] and the Jerusalem Trial of John Demjanjuk[113] no less, show that the champions of one particular school of thought do not hesitate to commit grotesque falsifications even many decades after the end of the war. Some few examples:

Despite a clear and unequivocal international report issued after the discovery of the mass graves of Katyn, the atrocity propaganda churned out by Ilya Ehrenburg and Wassily Grossmann continued - not only throughout the Nuremberg Trials, but right up until a few years ago - to impute the Stalinist mass murders to the Germans.[114] In this vein, Katyn and Babi Yar are not the only examples that come to mind; there are also the massacres of Lvov, Char'kov, Bykivnia, Bielhorodka, Darnitza and Vinnica. They represent many hundreds of thousands of victims, including some from the liquidation era of Lazar Moisejevich Kaganovich.[115] Katyn is the only case so far where the Soviets have admitted as late as 1991 that they were the perpetrators!

6.7. Babi Yar: From Mass Murder Site to Garbage Dump

After the end of the war the Soviets turned the ravine of Babi Yar into a municipal garbage dump, and later into a garbage incineration site.[116]
That the Soviets intended to build a sports facility over the site of indescribable crimes is no less incomprehensible...[117],[118]

To the best of this author's knowledge, Khrushchev's reprimand to Yevtushenko was never made public in the western world. Did this terse rebuke perhaps reflect the plain and simple truth?

Just what is self-evident about Babi Yar?"

Är det dokumentet från Sonderkommando 4 du menar?

Ja, det dokument som tillsammans med andra Einsatzgruppendokument så märkligt lämpligt hittades i det erövrade Berlin.

Ja, detta är verkligen i högsta grad brännbart och av "den officiella historieskrivningen" och i än större utsträckning av opinionsbildande media försummat material, och ytterst relevant för förståelsen av vilken oerhörd hätskhet och beredskap att döda som rådde i denna konfrontation mellan fanatiska världsåskådningar och etniska grupper.

Här ett kapitel ur Alfred de Zayas gediget dokumenterade bok, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 1939-1945, om massmorden i Lvov sommaren 1941:

http://www.ukar.org/zayas01.html

"Below is reproduced all of Chapter 20, with the footnotes removed, of Alfred M. de Zayas, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 1939-1945, University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln and London, 1979, pp. 214-227. The chapter contributes to the refutation of the Wiesenthal-Safer Calumny — discussed in the letters to Morley Safer dated 04-Jul-1999 and 28-Oct-1999 — in which Simon Wiesenthal and Morley Safer claimed that in the three days prior to occupation by German forces in June 1941, Ukainians killed 5 to 6 thousand Jews in the city of Lviv (Lvov in Russian). The more accurate picture that emerges from a consideration of a diversity of writings is that the period prior to German occupation was dedicated to the mass killing by the Jewish-dominated NKVD of Ukrainians and Poles, and that any Ukrainian-Polish anti-Jewish pogroms followed German occupation, were in retaliation for the NKVD massacres, and were of comparatively small scale.---

Every scholarly analysis of the events that occurred in Lvov in the summer of 1941 is fraught with nonscholarly dangers: the dangers of emotional reactions, polemical disputes, quotations out of context, deliberate distortion and misuse for political purposes. Indeed, because this complex of murders has remained a politically sensitive issue for over four decades, it is prudent at the outset to distinguish three murder phases: (1) the measures taken by the NKVD against Ukrainian and Polish political prisoners in June of 1941; (2) the pogroms carried out by Ukrainian and Polish civilians against local Jews; (3) the murders of 38 Polish professors and at least 7,000 Jews by the SD and SS.---"

Från FPP-länken i ett tidigare inlägg, en artikel av en viss Viktor Nikiforuk:

"THE MEMORY of the "massacre" of Jews at Babi Yar is painful to all politicians. But evidence shows it never happened. Aerial reconnaissance photos taken before and during World War II show mass graves of victims of the Soviet Cheka/NKVD, but an absence of Jewish mass burials.

What if anything, happened at a place called Babi Yar (Old Woman's Ravine) near Kiev, Ukraine - September 29, 1941? According to official histories and inscriptions on monuments, 250,000 people, mostly Jews, were killed by the Nazis there. But if thousands of Kievan Jews (those not evacuated by the Soviets) were killed in September of 1941 by the Germans, they were not murdered or buried at Babi Yar. This fact was revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC.

In February 1997 a Ukrainian court threw out a case brought by Ukrainian Jews against V. Kretytnychy of the St. Andrew Society and E. Musiyenko, editor of the Kiev Evening News (Vechirnyi Kyiv), who challenged the official Babi Yar story. Encouraged by the court decision, on March 19, 1997 the Kiev Evening News published a four-page story setting the record straight for the first time since the Allies condemned the phony "atrocity" during World War II.

What is now coming to the fore is incontrovertible proof that no massacre took place at Babi Yar during the German occupation of Kiev; that the ravine was not used as a mass grave for Jews killed by the Germans. But it was a burial field between 1922-1935 for the victims of the Cheka/NKVD.
For decades, aerial photography has been recognized as an indispensable archaeological tool. With sophisticated equipment, ruins of ancient cities and cemeteries that lie under cultivated fields, forgotten for decades or centuries, have been discovered. Even submerged Hellenic ports have been discovered by aerial photography.

In 1991, wartime aerial photographs from the National Archives in Washington, DC were used as the ultimate guidance in exhumations of hundreds of Polish officers and intellectuals massacred in 1939-40 by the Soviet NKVD in the vicinity of Kharkiv. Aerial photos of Kiev's distant suburbs, including Bykivnia, Bilhorodka and Darnista, revealed mass graves of victims of the 1930's Stalinist terror-famine. It is therefore logical to assume that aerial photos of a ravine would reveal evidence of recent mass graves or of a major topographic disturbance.

The US National Archives in Washington contain about 1,100,000 wartime aerial photos, among them some 600 of Kiev, including Babi Yar. They were taken during 20 or more flights over the area. The first photos, taken at 12:23 pm on May 17, 1939, reveal such details as cars and even the shadows of the lamp posts on the streets of Kiev. Every large bush and small tree is visible on the slopes and at the bottom of the Babi Yar ravine. The last aerial photo coverage of Kiev (and Babi Yar) took place on June 18, 1944, about nine months after the city's "liberation" by the Red Army.

This series of reconnaissance photos demonstrates that the flora and the ground cover of the ravine remained undisturbed throughout the two years of German occupation. When the early and late photos are compared, it is obvious that the scattered trees grew and became slightly larger. No evidence of human or large animal activity in the ravine can be discerned on the many aerial photos of Babi Yar taken repeatedly in different seasons of the years 1939-1944.

In November of 1943, a group of Western journalists, including New York Times correspondent William "Bill" Lawrence, himself Jewish, were invited to Kiev by the Soviets. This occurred two weeks after the city's fall to the Red Army. The reporters were told that this was only six weeks after the Germans had completed the dynamiting, disinterment and open-air cremation of 70,000 corpses, followed by the crushing and bulldozing of the unburned bones into the soil of the ravine.

But the Western journalists were hard pressed to find any convincing physical evidence at the site of the alleged massacre.
The lack of reliable physical evidence of this "greatest massacre of World War II" - and the inability to find a single inhabitant of Kiev willing to corroborate the story - impelled the NKVD to provide the Westerners with three "eyewitnesses." Even though a Times editor censored out the most egregious exaggerations (about Soviet partisans and German "gassing vans"), the disjointed story by these three liberated Soviet POW's became the template for imitation for all subsequent Babi Yar testimonies.

When one realizes that all liberated Soviet POW's were facing either a firing squad or a short-lived future in the Gulags (it was a capital crime in the USSR for a soldier to be captured alive by the enemy), one realizes why it was easy for the NKVD to coerce any expedient statement from them.---"

Man vet ändå inte riktigt vad man ska tro om hela denna affär...Det vore rätt logiskt (och grymt) om tyskarna skulle ha skjutit ett stort antal judiska Kievbor (av de åldringar och svaga som inte följde med den sovjetiska evakueringen österut) som vedergällning för de omfattande sprängattentat som lär ha krävt hundratals tyska soldaters liv. Men det skedde nog knappast i Babi Yar, och det mesta tyder på att siffrorna på antalet likviderade är starkt överdrivna.
Det är rätt skandalöst att inte några grundliga försök gjorts att säkra arkeologiska bevis, både vad gäller Babi Yar och än mer i fråga om "de rena förintelselägren".